I wonder if you can write the isdn lines off as a learning expense.
Equipment might be harder to do though.  If you can't write it off, the sim
comes out ahead because it's portable and has resale value. (but that could
change)

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Treptow, Georg
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Subject: RE: ISDN BRI Simulator Comparison - way to expensi [7:44767]


For that price you might as well order 2 ISDN lines from your local telco.
That should only cost you about $80.00 a month as you don't need to get ISP
service with it. You would be able to use those for 17 months until coming
up even.

Georg Treptow

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From: Dennis Laganiere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 6:34 PM
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Subject: RE: ISDN BRI Simulator Comparison


Earlier today I proposed putting together some comparative information on
the various ISDN Simulators available. Since the question "which simulator
do I buy?" comes up regularly on the list, I though a cooperative effort to
develop an answer would be an interesting exercise for the group.  Just to
start the conversation, here's a review of the two that I have in my home
pod...

Arca Emutel Lite
Recent e-bay sales: $1,250 - $1,400

Features:
* 2 port BRI
* Switch types supported: NAT-1, DMS100 and 5ESS

Default settings (just because I think its useful):

Port    B-channel       DN              SPID
1               1               384000  3840000001
1               2               384010  3840000002
2               1               384020  3840200001
2               2               384030  3840200002

The default ISDN switch-type is "basic-dms100"

Pro:
* Been using it for a year without a problem
* Built-in battery backup means you can use it without AC power for a quick
demonstration
* Supports either "S" (4-wire) or "U" (2-wire) interfaces (selected through
software)
* Simple console-like configuration

Con:
* Since I'm using 2503's, it requires 2 x NT1 (approx $30 each on ebay)
* Power supply is an external brick.  Minor thing, but kind of annoying.


Teltone ILS-B-01 ISDN Demonstrator
Recent e-bay sales: $1,225 - $1,599 (New from the manufacture, $1,855.00)

Features:
* 2 port BRI
* Switch types supported: NAT-1, AT&T Custom

Default settings (just because I think its useful):

Port    B-channel       DN              SPID
1               1               835-8661        0835866101
1               2               835-8663        0835866301
2               1               835-8662        0835866201
2               2               835-8664        0835866401

The default ISDN switch-type is "basic-nil"

Pro:
* Built in power supply.
* Windows-based configuration (I haven't tried it yet, but the book makes it
look easy)

Con:
* Since I'm using 2503's, it requires 2 x NT1 (approx $30 each on ebay)
* Only has "U" Interfaces

I look forward to seeing what other people have used...

Thanks...

--- Dennis


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From:   Dennis Laganiere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Wednesday, May 22, 2002 2:36 PM
To:     '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:        ISDN BRI Simulator Comparison

This brings to mind an interesting side-project, if anybody has the time and
inclination to help out. I've not seen a comprehensive comparison between
the various simulators that are available, factoring in features and
approximate cost.

Myself personality, I've got an Emutel Lite at home that I've had a for
while, and I just picked up a Teltone ISDN Demonstrator that I'm going to
start playing with this weekend. I could probably put together a quick write
up on those if it were a conversation that other people would like to
contribute too.

Anybody what to play?

Let me know...

--- Dennis




From:   Dennis Laganiere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Wednesday, May 22, 2002 1:48 PM
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Subject:        RE: ISDN BRI Simulator

Ummmmm... I'll pay $125...

Next bidder... :)

I don't believe you'll find too many in this range, but I'd love to learn
that I'm wrong...

Thanks...

--- Dennis

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Sent:   Wednesday, May 22, 2002 1:16 PM
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Subject:        ISDN BRI Simulator

I am looking for a 2 port ISDN BRI Simulator for under $100. Does anyone
know where I can get one?

Thanks,

Bill Cook, Network Project Manager
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