Hi Kelly,

You are absolutely right, and I love your strategy.
That is the way I did it 2 years ago, but the only thing now is finding a 
vpn solution for the Macs. I used Pix for the PC's last time round but never 
had to do this for the Mac's. Any ideas?


>From: "Kelly Cobean" 
>Reply-To: "Kelly Cobean" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: Here we go again ( Pix 515) [7:49492]
>Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 02:18:38 GMT
>
>Man, you aren't asking much, are you? ;-)
>
>Ok, here's the order I'd do things in...
>
>First things first, get that firewall in place.  You don't list what their
>internet connectivity is, but if they bought a PIX, it's safe to assume 
>that
>they have a persistent connection, and that being true, they're really
>hanging it out there for someone to cut off, so to speak.  Network security
>is always a primary concern, and the firewall won't take alot of time to 
>set
>up.  Not setting it up could be very costly.  If they already have a
>light(er)-weight firewall like a Linux host running IP chains or IP tables,
>replacing this first will save your users down-time later because you can
>pre-configure your internet rulebase/access in preparation for your private
>addressing.
>
>Next, I'd do the DHCP and Private Addressing.  These go hand in hand, and
>since your firewall is now in place, you can do the NAT/PAT translations as
>needed and not have to rethink these later.
>
>Third, get Exchange up and running.  If it's going on a different system
>than Quick mail is running on, great!  Now you can get them running in
>parallel, and move users accounts over one at a time or in batches.  There
>are probably tools out there to do the mailbox format conversion.  Now that
>your network is secure at layer3/4, you can focus on the nitty-gritty of 
>the
>user data. (Oh yeah, don't forget that backup!!!)
>
>It's a 10,000 foot view, but that's how I'd do it.  I'm not really a MAC
>guy, but I'd venture a guess that most or all of your MAC's run TCP/IP and
>support DHCP, so from an L3/4 standpoint, they're really no different than
>your PC's.
>
>When doing multiple projects like this, I tend to work along the OSI model.
>If the wiring is horrible, or the NIC's are all old 10Base2 nics and have
>transceivers to hook them to your BaseT network, take care of the layer 1
>stuff first.  Next, if the network is all unmanaged hubs, and your network
>is one gigantic broadcast domain, start installing switches to quiet down
>the network.  Next, get VLANs/routing/security in place for Layer3/4.  
>Next,
>work on the "upper layers" where all of your apps and data live and talk.
>Just my $0.02 worth.
>
>HTH,
>Kelly Cobean, CCNP, CCSA, ACSA, MCSE, MCP+I
>Network Engineer
>AT&T Government Solutions, Inc.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>Kevin O'Gilvie
>Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 9:07 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Here we go again ( Pix 515) [7:49492]
>
>
>Dear All,
>
>I am jumping into a similar mess as when I started at my current company,
>but this time the Macs out number the PC's. Well here is the scoop:
>180 Macs
>50 PC's
>Static Ip's
>No DHCP
>No FW
>Quick Mail Server
>and a whole bunch of other nasty things..
>- They just purchases a Pix 515
>- They just bought Exchange 5.5
>
>My projects are:
>Set up DHCP
>Set up Pix
>Set up Private Addressing
>Set up Exchange
>Migrate them from Quick Mail
>etc etc
>I have done this before but maybe you guys can help as to how I should go
>about this the quickest.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Kevin
>
>
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