Cisco Software is NON-TRANSFERABLE. Unless you bought the software license for the PIX from Cisco you are guilty of theft. Owning an ISA card doesn't give you the right for the software. The new owner would also be required to purchase a software license. Cisco is under no obligation to sell you software and the license they sell you is revocable, so they could choose to revoke the license you purchased, or just flatly refuse to sell you one in the first place.
You really are that powerless against Cisco, you really need to read the software agreement again. It really is black and white. Thanks Larry -----Original Message----- From: Sabertech Networks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'patrick ramsey'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Cisco "Franken" Pix Firewall Scott, Thanks for setting me straight, I forgot about the legal concept of "intention and design". When I buy a hamburger at McDonalds, they intended that I eat it, it was designed for that purpose, if use it as a paper weight, I'm according to you, committing a crime. That part about the prison really scared me though, I guess I'd better stop all this independent thinking and rejoin the herd. Party on...............Richard -----Original Message----- From: Scott Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:05 AM To: 'Sabertech Networks'; 'patrick ramsey'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Cisco "Franken" Pix Firewall And you believe it's smart to box with Cisco's lawyers why? If you tried to sell your Franken Benz as something that "performs exactly like a Mercedes Benz and runs the same software and commands and everything else but the outer shell", then I'd be willing to bet Mercedes would kick you around the courtroom too. Intel's NICs are a commodity designed to go with computers of any variety. PIX Flash cards are not. PIX Flash cards are designed to go in Cisco's PIX boxes. Period. No grey area. Knock yourself out, study how you will and quit arguing about the stupid point. Sell your franken-pix as such if you want, and write me from your prison's AOL account telling me that I was right. :) Get back to studying useful things. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Sabertech Networks Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:45 AM To: patrick ramsey; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Cisco "Franken" Pix Firewall In spite of all the urban legends to the contrary, there is no law against buying a computer, buying a card, putting the card in the computer and selling it. You own both parts, do whatever you want, it's a free country. Last week I bought a Pentium 3 machine, added an Intel NIC and I will sell it next week. I'm serious, so now is the time to report this crime to Intel. The herd will say it's illegal and make lots of scary references to past legal action by Cisco in such cases, but NO ONE AS EVER PROVED that it has happened. Ghost stories. First off, a 501 costs $400 and will teach you everything except DMZ interfaces and Fail Over, each subject can be mastered in about five minutes. Secondly, a Franken Pix has no commercial value, I really don't think that I'm going to give my customers the choice of securing their networks with a cool "Franken PIX" that I assembled with various junk parts. That's silly. Here's a good analogy, say I start buying old junk cars, then I pay $20,000 each for factory built Mercedes Benz engines, I put them in my junk cars and sell them. Is Mercedes Benz going to worry about my "Franken Benz"? Party on........................Richard -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of patrick ramsey Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 6:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: Cisco "Franken" Pix Firewall Hopefully someone in this group can help me answer it. I purchased a couple of ISA Pix Flash card on the Internet last year to build a couple of "clone" pix firewalls so that I can get "hand-on" experience with the platforms. I built two pix firewalls out of two Dell PII 233MHz box and they work great just like a regular Pix 520. Twelve months later, I have to say I've become an expert with Pix firewalls that I otherwise would not have been able to achieve had it not been for these two Pix clones. These two "clone" pix firewalls are running version 6.2(2) with PDM 2.0(2). Here is my question. I am pretty sure that it is illegal for me to sell these "clone" pix firewall (please confirm); however, can I sell just the Pix Flash card without the dell machine? Personally, I think this could be a great resource for someone who would like to learn Pix firewall. I just don't think the Pix 501 and 506 is adequate for someone to learn everything there is to learn about Pix because two interfaces are just not enough. You need to have "at least" three interfaces so that you can mimic a real production environment and frankly these "clone" pix520 firewall can provide up to six interfaces which work just great. I don't care what anybody say, after playing these clones for the past 12 months, 7 days a week, I can definitely say with confidence that you can learn a hell lot more with more than just "inside" and "outside" interfaces. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? 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