Yes, but Mercedes doesn't have a user license on their engine.  Cisco
DOES have a license on the PIX OS.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
Sabertech Networks
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:29 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Cisco "Franken" Pix Firewall [7:51061]

In spite of all the urban legends to the contrary, there is no law
against
buying a computer, buying a card, putting the card in the computer
and selling it.  You own both parts, do whatever you want, it's
a free country.

Last week I bought a Pentium 3 machine, added an Intel
NIC and I will sell it next week.  I'm serious, so
now is the time to report this crime to Intel.

The herd will say it's illegal and make lots of scary
references to past legal action by Cisco in such cases,
but NO ONE AS EVER PROVED that it has happened.

Ghost stories.

First off, a 501 costs $400 and will teach you everything
except DMZ interfaces and Fail Over, each subject can be mastered
in about five minutes.

Secondly, a Franken Pix has no commercial value, I really
don't think that I'm going to give my customers the choice
of securing their networks with a cool "Franken PIX" that
I assembled with various junk parts.  That's silly.

Here's a good analogy, say I start buying old junk cars,
then I pay $20,000 each for factory built Mercedes Benz
engines, I put them in my junk cars and sell them.  Is Mercedes
Benz going to worry about my "Franken Benz"?

Party on........................Richard





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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
patrick ramsey
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 6:19 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OT: Cisco "Franken" Pix Firewall


Hopefully someone in this group can help me answer it.

I purchased a couple of ISA Pix Flash card on the Internet last year to
build

a couple of "clone" pix firewalls so that I can get "hand-on" experience
with

the platforms.  I built two pix firewalls out of two Dell PII 233MHz box
and

they work great just like a regular Pix 520.  Twelve months later, I
have to
say

I've become an expert with Pix firewalls that I otherwise would not have
been

able to achieve had it not been for these two Pix clones.  These two
"clone"

pix firewalls are running version 6.2(2) with PDM 2.0(2).

Here is my question.  I am pretty sure that it is illegal for me to sell
these

"clone" pix firewall (please confirm); however, can I sell just the Pix
Flash card

without the dell machine?

Personally, I think this could be a great resource for

someone who would like to learn Pix firewall.  I just don't think the
Pix
501 and 506

is adequate for someone to learn everything there is to learn about Pix
because

two interfaces are just not enough.  You need to have "at least" three
interfaces so

that you can mimic a real production environment and frankly these
"clone"
pix520

firewall can provide up to six interfaces which work just great.  I
don't
care what

anybody say, after playing these clones for the past 12 months, 7 days a
week, I

can definitely say with confidence that you can learn a hell lot more
with
more than

just "inside" and "outside" interfaces.





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