First of all, congratulations on your parlaying your experiment into a paying job. That's great!!!!!!
Second of all........ naw I think I'll skip the "second of all" . I doubt that anyone wants to go down that "mine is better than yours" road again. Hope your story serves as an inspiration to job seekers and career changers everywhere. ""patrick ramsey"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Guys/Gals, > I've been swamped with emails asking on how to build a "Franken" > Pix firewall. All I can say is that "anyone" with a little brain can > figure out how to build a "franken" pix firewall. If you don't believe > me, do a "show version" on a Pix 520 and all the informations are > there for you to build a "franken" pix firewall with PC parts. I am > NOT going to help anyone on how to build a "franken" pix firewall > because these information is already available in the public > domain. > I guess I don't want to get into trouble with Cisco for selling the > Flash card. Therefore, I am going to keep these "franken" pix > firewalls for my personal use. I am going to use it for my home > firewall. I have to say without these "franken" pix firewall, I wouldn't > be able to get a 100k/year job as a security engineer. I just recently > graduated > with a Master degree from a University but no one would hire me because > I don't have much experiences in the security areas. Therefore, the only > that > I can prove myself to the employers is to show them that I can build a > "franken" > pix firewall with PC parts. After several interviews, I was hired by a IT > security > service firm because they figure if someone is dedicated to build a > "franken" > pix firewall to learn, that person must do it because he/she loves it and not > doing it for the money. > Anyway, I always recommend Pix firewalls as a "first line of defense" for > customers because Pix products lines has faster processor and more > memory than a Cisco router. By the way, one of my "franken" pix firewalls > is running on a PIII850MHz with 512MB of RAM. That's equivalent to almost > a PIX535 (PIII 1GHz and 1GB of RAM). I don't need a box to be that powerful > but it can be done..... > I think this is both benefical to both myself and to Cisco because I get more > familiar with the Pix product lines and Cisco can sell more ot its gear. > Again, all the information you need is in "show version". > Patrick > Andrew Benhase wrote:Guys- I really love this thread, it crops up every few > weeks or so, and > I'm sure to copy the PIX team on the really funny ones. I can say that > most people (besides Corporate Counsel) find this thread very, very > amusing. And many consider it quite a compliment that hard core security > folks here on this list are that intent on using the PIX OS. Keep up the > interest levels... > > Does it break the license and does Cisco have domain over what you do > with our code? Clearly yes. > > Is Cisco going to come pound down your door and have the local > authorities remove your Franken-PIX from your home lab. Seems very > unlikely. > > While I'm not condoning illegal activities with respect to Cisco, I can > say that large scale operations will only insure tighter security > restrictions in the future to counteract this type of scenario. If > you're doing something you shouldn't be doing, keep it to yourself- and > for Gods' sake don't email a very public alias about what you're up > to... > > -Andrew > > Andrew Benhase .. .. Phone: 321-235-8026 > Federal Operations || || Cell: 321-427-1584 > Consulting SE || || Pager: 800-365-4578 > 12000 Research Pkwy |||| |||| E-Mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Orlando, FL 32826 .:||||||:..:||||||:. web: http://www.cisco.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > Scott Morris > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:18 PM > To: 'Sabertech Networks'; 'patrick ramsey'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Cisco "Franken" Pix Firewall > > > This is why McDonald's builds in the self-destructing bacteria in case > you choose to use your burger for a paperweight. Not only will it exude > grease 'n' stuff all over your papers, but will become quite ripe in > short order. > > Cisco hasn't quite figured out how to put those protections in their > equipment yet! > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > Sabertech Networks > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:22 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'patrick ramsey'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Cisco "Franken" Pix Firewall > > > Scott, > Thanks for setting me straight, I forgot about the legal concept of > "intention and design". When I buy a hamburger at McDonalds, they > intended that I eat it, it was designed for that purpose, if use it as a > paper weight, I'm according to you, committing a crime. > > That part about the prison really scared me though, I guess > I'd better stop all this independent thinking and rejoin > the herd. > > Party on...............Richard > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:05 AM > To: 'Sabertech Networks'; 'patrick ramsey'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Cisco "Franken" Pix Firewall > > > And you believe it's smart to box with Cisco's lawyers why? > > If you tried to sell your Franken Benz as something that "performs > exactly like a Mercedes Benz and runs the same software and commands and > everything else but the outer shell", then I'd be willing to bet > Mercedes would kick you around the courtroom too. > > Intel's NICs are a commodity designed to go with computers of any > variety. PIX Flash cards are not. PIX Flash cards are designed to go > in Cisco's PIX boxes. Period. No grey area. > > Knock yourself out, study how you will and quit arguing about the stupid > point. Sell your franken-pix as such if you want, and write me from > your prison's AOL account telling me that I was right. :) > > Get back to studying useful things. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > Sabertech Networks > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:45 AM > To: patrick ramsey; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Cisco "Franken" Pix Firewall > > > In spite of all the urban legends to the contrary, there is no law > against buying a computer, buying a card, putting the card in the > computer and selling it. You own both parts, do whatever you want, it's > a free country. > > Last week I bought a Pentium 3 machine, added an Intel > NIC and I will sell it next week. I'm serious, so > now is the time to report this crime to Intel. > > The herd will say it's illegal and make lots of scary references to past > legal action by Cisco in such cases, but NO ONE AS EVER PROVED that it > has happened. > > Ghost stories. > > First off, a 501 costs $400 and will teach you everything except DMZ > interfaces and Fail Over, each subject can be mastered in about five > minutes. > > Secondly, a Franken Pix has no commercial value, I really > don't think that I'm going to give my customers the choice > of securing their networks with a cool "Franken PIX" that > I assembled with various junk parts. That's silly. > > Here's a good analogy, say I start buying old junk cars, > then I pay $20,000 each for factory built Mercedes Benz engines, I put > them in my junk cars and sell them. Is Mercedes Benz going to worry > about my "Franken Benz"? > > Party on........................Richard > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > patrick ramsey > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 6:19 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: OT: Cisco "Franken" Pix Firewall > > > Hopefully someone in this group can help me answer it. > > I purchased a couple of ISA Pix Flash card on the Internet last year to > build > > a couple of "clone" pix firewalls so that I can get "hand-on" experience > with > > the platforms. I built two pix firewalls out of two Dell PII 233MHz box > and > > they work great just like a regular Pix 520. Twelve months later, I > have to say > > I've become an expert with Pix firewalls that I otherwise would not have > been > > able to achieve had it not been for these two Pix clones. These two > "clone" > > pix firewalls are running version 6.2(2) with PDM 2.0(2). > > Here is my question. I am pretty sure that it is illegal for me to sell > these > > "clone" pix firewall (please confirm); however, can I sell just the Pix > Flash card > > without the dell machine? > > Personally, I think this could be a great resource for > > someone who would like to learn Pix firewall. I just don't think the > Pix 501 and 506 > > is adequate for someone to learn everything there is to learn about Pix > because > > two interfaces are just not enough. You need to have "at least" three > interfaces so > > that you can mimic a real production environment and frankly these > "clone" pix520 > > firewall can provide up to six interfaces which work just great. I > don't care what > > anybody say, after playing these clones for the past 12 months, 7 days a > week, I > > can definitely say with confidence that you can learn a hell lot more > with more than > > just "inside" and "outside" interfaces. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs > __________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the SECURITY list, send a message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body containing: unsubscribe SECURITY > __________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the SECURITY list, send a message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body containing: unsubscribe SECURITY > __________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the SECURITY list, send a message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body containing: unsubscribe SECURITY > __________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the SECURITY list, send a message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body containing: unsubscribe SECURITY > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=51412&t=51412 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
