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From: "cebuano" 
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Sent: 17 August 2002 11:35 pm
Subject: Simple (silly) question on PING [7:51580]


> Hi all,
> Just two simple but annoying PING questions.
> 1. Why is it that on a broadcast medium, you can issue ping
> 224.0.0.5 and have all OSPF routers respond (according to CCO), but when
> I do a simple ping 192.168.10.255 on the subnet, no replies are seen
> from all the interfaces on this subnet? I know you'll say my brain is
> getting fried from too much "rack exposure".

This is one of those cases that underscore the extent to which communication
protocol specifications sometimes define a range of acceptable behavior in
the face of a given set of conditions rather than a single acceptable
option. In some cases, the RFCs/Standards don't provide a reccomendation for
how a given implementation should behave, leading to real-world
interoperability issues. A more obvious case where these considerations
matter involve the inexplicably persistent notion that distinct
implementations of a given standard should behave identically given
identical circumstances. In this case, whether or not a given icmp/ip
implementation responds to echo requests addressed to a layer 3 broadcast
address is left up to the vendor (which used to provide a quick-n-dirty way
of performing simplistic os fingerprinting within a given broadcast domain),
based on the use of the may keyword when describing within RFC 1122 when
describing the receiving host's behavior during that situation.

The key here is that the guidelines covering behavior in response to
received multicast & broadcast traffic are separate, allowing for distinct
behavior, which may, in turn, reflect different needs/goals to be addressed
when dealing with the two different (though conceptually related) types of
traffic.





> 2. Using a crossover to connect two Ethernet interfaces, I can ping
> say RtrA's e0 from RtrB, but can't ping RtrB's e0 from RtrA. I know some
> of you on the list have seen this before and have had a really
> crystal-clear explanation for this.
>
> TIA,
> Elmer




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