If it just goes with books this would be durable but you forgot to say how painful it is if you ever thought of having your own CCIE lab. Buying routers is some sort of unaffordable luxury, one becaeause of the range of salaries that when converted into its equivalent amount in dollars looks peanuts, the other is which makes it even worse is that we pay much more than the original price of the equipment to cover shipment and taxes imposed on any exported equipment.
This makes the only feasable possibility to have a real lab over there if your company can afford one - for company's use - or just rely on your real experience through work. Ughhhh.. life is just so unfair. I was laughing my headoff reading that e-mail of the guy who left USA to England and trying to same some money for his power chords. Thought wanna have some real fun and know the real meaning of spending money you should drop a visit to Egypt. Anyway, no matter what it takes I will nail this CCIE beast down Regards, Yasser >From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > >Over here in South Africa, Cisco books are sold at a minimum of a R1000.00 >although some of them reach R1600.00 each That is a lot of money for us. For >example, our exchange rate is R10.52 to $1.00 so even if the book RRP is >$50.00, we will pay R900.00 for it. Then we still have to pay shipping which >sometimes is nearly equivalent to price of the book itself. Reading most of >the Cisco Press books, I've realised how much of the same stuff is sometimes >regurgitated amongst them. >Now I have a huge cisco press library, that was bought from a CCIE, and I >still buy books (the real kind), but I don't see the sense in buying some >cisco press book for the high price of R1000.00 when I know I will only read >them once. For those books, I would prefer to have them in PDF format, at a >reasonable price. I understand the piracy thing, it's just to easy to email >a pdf of the book. But for me to pay $50.00 for a virtual copy of the book >does not make sense. In that case, I'll would rather pay for the shipping >and get the real thing ... After all a bookshelf full of cisco press books >in their trademark green looks very sexy, and initimidates the sh!t out of >everyone else, when you tell them you've read them all! (obviously, it's >even better if you remember it all!) > >The other thing also affect us, is the shipping, after paying a huge amount >for a book, custom's get's hold of it, charges us more, and hopefully, then >our postal system delivers the book (if they don't steal it). I bought >Doyle' TCP Vol2, and the first one got missing, after which amazon had to >send another copy ... Life is sometimes just not fair for those of us not in >the U.S.A ! > >BTW, Adobe has a lot of sexy 'rights management technologies'. If you create >e-books, you can lock it to a specific user. The e-book will be unreadable >anywhere else. Although this has already probably been cracked! :-( > >Just my take on it. >Manish > >-----Original Message----- >From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: 08 October 2002 04:57 >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: E-books [7:55001] > > >I haven't looked into how Cisco Press is doing their online books. I think >you have to subscribe or something. > >The publishers are interested in technical feedback on what works for >people. They know they need to address the need for electronic access at a >reasonable price. Most of them are kind of fumbling around trying to figure >this out. If there's legitimate reasons for liking PDF, I think that's good >feedback. > >I doubt they'll use PDF, though, because it's too easy to share. The >publishers will definitely need to make money on the electronic products and >they will want to minimize easy access to the products by people who want to >get something for nothing, or, worse, people who want to sell the >publisher's property without the publisher's consent. > >Hey, I'm beginning to sound like a lawyer. Seriously, there's lots of room >for innovation here with results that please the customer and make business >sense for the publisher. Now I sound like a marketer. >From an author's point >of view, I want people to see all that content I worked so hard on. The >money is nice but so small, it's secondary. > >_______________________________ > >Priscilla Oppenheimer >www.troubleshootingnetworks.com >www.priscilla.com > >Ken Chipps wrote: > > > > I like pdf format myself. I often print out a few pages or a chapter > > to study from. Then I can highlight different parts for different > > areas of > > study. This avoids messing up the original book. I have done > > this may times > > with the Lanmmle books, all of which I paid for myself. In > > fact, I am doing > > this right now as I leave for class. I need to brush up on VLAN > > configuration. While the students are doing a lab on their own, > > I will be > > reviewing VLAN information so I can create a new lab for VLANs > > in a CAN. I > > wish all books came hardcover and pdf. > > > > ""Ben W"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Yes you can, and you can also read it on your laptop which > > weighs a lot > > less > > > than lugging around Caslow and Doyle's books. Give the guy a > > break. He > > did > > > ask in his email of any website that SELLS pdf formats of > > books. > > > > > > Michael Linehan wrote: > > > > > > > > You can't read a book on a plane??? > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Ellis, Andrew" > > > > To: "'Michael Linehan'" ; > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 2:53 PM > > > > Subject: RE: E-books [7:55001] > > > > > > > > > > > > > or maybe he wants to read it on his laptop while > > commuting. > > > > > > > > > > -Drew :^) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Michael Linehan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 3:17 PM > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subject: Re: E-books [7:55001] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know you know this already but the only logical > > conclusion > > > > is that he > > > > > wants PDF format so its easily illegally copied and > > > > distributed. > > > > > > > > > > This of course places him directly in what I like to call > > the > > > > "get it for > > > > > free, society". > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 1:42 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: E-books [7:55001] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHY do you want PDF format? > > > > > > > > > > > > Aser Anani wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes > > > > > > > ""Priscilla Oppenheimer"" wrote in > > > > > > > message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > > > > Why do you want PDF format? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aser Anani wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing in PDF format > > > > > > > > ""Priscilla Oppenheimer"" wrote in > > > > > > > > message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > > > > > Aser Anani wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi there , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does anybody know a website that sell PDF format > > cisco > > > > > > > books , > > > > > > > > > i am looking > > > > > > > > > for Caslow Bridging book & Routing TCP/IP by Doyle > > > > Vol I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Go to www.ciscopress.com and click on the Online > > Books > > > > tab. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Priscilla > > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > > Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: > > > > 10/3/2002 > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=55161&t=55001 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
