I want to first start out by saying you all know I am not here to bash
anyone. But Larry you are right when you say something is wrong with his
network and what was wrong with it was the name ALCATEL :). I have
experience with the omni core switches and I can say I did not like what
I saw in the products. I can go on and on about my experience with them
also but I will not bore you all with details. The big problem was power
supply failures, the other thing was slowness and the recommended fix
from alcatel was always upgrade the software, and most times it would
fix it but cause problems with other things. Right before I left the
company they did seem to get good code to fix what we were doing. But I
will say this because of all the money the company sunk into them we
could not get atm to work between a 7500 and one of their switches it
went on for 3 months pointing fingers back and forth, then we got all of
them in one room Cisco and Alcatel and Cisco came armed with all kinds
of docs about how they were following the rfc in their code anyway
needless to say the code slinger from alcatel which had to fly over here
from india for our meeting ended up having to redo some things to get
compatibilty to play with other vendors in the ATM world. I still talk
with the other guys I use to work with and they say all those problems
are gone now and they are happy with Alcatel. So that is my experience.

But I would say with 8500 or 6500 core the CDA model from cisco should
give you no problems or SLOWNESS.

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Letterman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 4:11 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: VLANs: To be or not to be [7:58350]


I have first hand knowledge, we have implemented a core/dist/access
network at cisco with L3 at the core and L2 at the acess end.  I have
also implemented a L3 data center using L3 dist routers and L2 access to
the 
servers.

This design, from switch to switch across the L3 dist area, is 1ms or 
less in the data center
and only a couple of ms from most points in the core to most points in 
the dist. area.

I would say there was something wrong with the network you were using if

the L3 switches
were slower than the L2 switched, flat network....

Larry  Letterman
Network Engineer, IT-Lan
Cisco Systems

David j wrote:

>Hello group, I was wondering about the following question:
>Is worth to implement VLANs and L3-switching instead a flat L2-network?

>I know that this question has been discussed here several times, but 
>the answer is always the same: depends. What I would like to know is if

>sombody has implemented a L3-switched network following the "Cisco 
>style" (Core-distribution-access or collapsed core-access) and now the 
>performance is better than with a L2 network. I had an experience with 
>a network (about 1000 users) with VLANs and Alcatel L3-switches that 
>was terribly slow when you tried to transfer files between VLANs so the

>staff decided migrate to a flat network, that increased the network 
>performance noticeably. Do you have real experiences or links talking 
>about real experiences that I can check?
>Thanks and advance.




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