Hi all,
I fully agree with Mark. No doubt being a CCIE is a bench mark, and not a small one, and you can not expect anyone to know everything. Multi-skill sets are required yes, but then speaking about or treating people in that fashion is totally un-acceptable. Just my 2 C. Regards, Vikram "Mark W. Odette II" wrote: Man, talk about being just past adult-hood, but way short of being classified as an adult- much less a professional. Just a touch of advice: Never EVER Gloat about terminating people, much less talk about it in a public forum... for all you know, those CCIE's you allegedly fired could be on this list too... and I'm sure their building the warm fuzzy about exacting some sort of revenge on your smart-elecky little @$$.. You were just about to crawl into a hole "poor me" two weeks ago about possibly being unemployed, but yet now you revel in the unemployment of others because you're on a power trip! Puleeez. You and your manager both need to get a Clue! Oh yeah, and what was the name of that consulting firm you said you now work for again?? I just would like to know so that I can steer clear of your company... Just so you know, you most probably have a "Kick me HARD" sticker stuck on your back... watch those corners... and get your scooter fixed- it has an obnoxiously squeaky wheel. -----Original Message----- From: adrian jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 3:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hello (long response) [7:58824] Elping, Please do NOT make any statements regarding CheckPoint Firewall without knowing all the facts. I've been working with both Checkpoint and Pix firewalls. I even build a few "franken" pix firewalls so that I can learn as much as I can about Cisco Pix firewalls. The "franken" pix firewall actually help me landed my current job that pays 100k/year. Both CheckPoint and Pix firewalls have its strength and weaknesses. I agree that Cisco TAC is much superior than CheckPoint support. The "no text configuration" that you refer to in CheckPoint, you must be refered to running CheckPoint on Winblows platforms. NEVER RUN FIREWALL ON A GENERAL PURPOSE OPERATING SYSTEM. If you worry about cost, check out CheckPoint SecurePlatform. If you are "unix" literate, does the term "tcpdump" mean anything to you? That's how you troubleshoot my friend. Now if you are talking about cost, Cisco Pix will beat CheckPoint by a long shot in term of performance for your $. However, for a small/medium business, Checkpoint does come with a lot of features such as URL filtering (native), http load balancing, etc which Pix doesn't have (without 3rd party products). For enterprise environment, CheckPoint does come with ClusterXL (aka, load-sharing or Active/Active Firewall), which again, Pix doesn't support. Last but not least, CheckPoint does have a very nice Management piece called "provider-1" that Cisco Pix doesn't have. I do have to say that the price for CP products is totally "outrageous"; however, CP is a good product. In terms of hardware product, you can run CheckPoint on Nokia Platforms which is very stable and proven product. New version of Nokia firewalls do come with Flash instead of hard-drive so that the reliability is very high. Nokia is a big partner with CP. You can get CP support if you purchase Nokia firewalls from Nokia. Nokia TAC is just as good as Cisco TAC. I've completed my first week at my new job as a Security Engineer and I am amazed at the # of Cisco Certified folks at my company that are completely incompetent and downright clueless at what they can do. We are a consulting company and being in the consulting business, you are forced to know pretty much about everything. I have a couple of CCIEs in the office came to me and ask me how to restart sendmail and postfix (we are a linux shop) in linux. Another CCIE asked me how to use "nmap" in unix. The last one is down right funny, one CCIE asked how to start Apache in Solaris. It just seems to me like R&S are all they know and nothing else. We also do R&S here but at these times, demands for those have not been that great. Therefore, we have to branch into other things such as Security (PIX, CheckPoint, Wireless, IDS, etc...) I brought these issues to my boss attention last wednesday and on thursay he ordered me to 'clean' house. The first thing I did was to send "pink" slips to all 4 CCIEs in the group and told them that they are fired because they don't know anything other than R&S. They were making $130k/year and sucking almost all of our budget. My advice to everyone out there is to keeping learning other things in addition to the R&S. The market for CCIEs is not as good as it used to be. You better know other things especially Unix and Firewalls than just merely R&S. There will be lot of good peopel competing for the same jobs and the only way you can show the potential employers that you are better than the other guy is by showing them that you know other things not just R&S. Just my .02c. Adrian elping wrote: I work with the checpoint firewall ...and let me tell you they are gui based and very easy to coinfigure...but do they suck.....ther is no text configuration FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROMs, Bestseller Books, Gadgets from http://www.store.indiatimes.com Change the way you talk. Indiatimes presents "Valufon", Your PC to Phone service with clear voice at rates far less than the normal ISD rates. Go to http://www.valufon.indiatimes.com. Choose your plan. BUY NOW. 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