maybe we can get nfr to weigh in here, and this thread can perpetuate itself
at least as long as the Cert versus Degree thread :->


""Priscilla Oppenheimer""  wrote in message
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> The Long and Winding Road wrote:
> >
> > ""Priscilla Oppenheimer""  wrote in
> >>
> >
> > > Bill Gates and Steve Jobs are very smart people, but when
> > they champion
> > > software that thinks it's smarter than the user, most users
> > just get
> > > annoyed. ;-)
> >
> >
> > I disagree with your implication here.
>
> You didn't understand my implication.
>
> > The whole point of the
> > PC revolution
> > was to make computing easy for the end user. I think apple and
> > eventually
> > mircrosoft have done wonderful things in that respect.
>
> I'm not talking about computers being easy to use; I'm talking about
> artificial intelligence and expert systems. I'm talking about spam filters
> that learn what you consider spam, for example. Both Mac OS and Microsoft
> have a lot of this type of software built into their operating systems and
> applications. In some cases it works well. For example, I think the
> Microsoft Word spell checker is a beautiful piece of software unparalleled
> by any other spell checker I've used. What makes it superior is that it
> learns about the current user. But I think Internet Explorer deciding that
> it should hijack your ability to play video or music is awful. It decides
to
> do things on its own, sometimes without user input. That's not a great
> example, but if I gave it more thought I could come up with lots of cases
> where Microsoft (and Apple) software does things behind your back, in some
> cases because expert-system-type software is making decisions without your
> input.
>
> Sorry that this is way O/T and even off-topic from what we were discussing
> and not really related to the off-topic point you are trying to make about
> unintended consequences. :-)
>
> Priscilla
>
>
> > however,
> > as with
> > anything else, the law of unintended consequences comes into
> > play. they made
> > it easy for businesses to develope templates to make employees
> > more
> > effective in their work. the unintended consequence is they
> > made it easy for
> > malicious people to use those tools to create maco viruses.
> > they made it
> > easy for you and I to send dfocumnets or pictures to our
> > friends and
> > relatives, and for those people to pen the docs and see the
> > content. the
> > unintended consequence is that they made it easy for malicious
> > people to
> > spread their wickedness.
> >
> > to bring this back into the Cisco realm, Cisco NBAR ( network
> > based
> > application recognition ) I believe was intended to provide
> > another
> > dimension to the QoS classification process. now it can also be
> > used as a
> > filter against certain virus / macro virus attacks.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Priscilla
> > >
> > >
> > > Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:
> > > >
> > > > At 6:09 PM +0000 1/3/03, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
> > > > >Hopefully you trained her not to open attachemnts in the
> > > > future unless she
> > > > >knows the sender and is expecting an attachment from that
> > > > sender. It's an
> > > > >obvious point, but nobody had brought it up yet! :-)
> > > > >
> > > > >Priscilla
> > > >
> > > > May all such attackers get a personalized virus.  There's a
> > > > wide
> > > > range of choices of gastrointestinal ones.  Somehow, such
> > > > people
> > > > remind me of a baby's alimentary tract: a loud voice at one
> > end
> > > > and
> > > > no sense of responsibility at the other.




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