At 10:21 PM +0000 2/22/03, Kaminski, Shawn G wrote:
>You're talking about the old exam. While the Caslow book probably still
>covers some of the material on the new exam, the new exam is much more in
>depth on goofy stuff. Follow the blueprint for the best results.
>
>Shawn K.
Different books have different objectives. Caslow, I believe,
remains the best book giving a general strategy for analyzing lab
scenarios and planning the lab effort, although it may be dated on
some of the specific technologies.
Given the time lag of books -- often a year or more between first
contract and commercial availability -- you simply may not be able to
depend on a single review book for the written. There certainly can
be valid review books for specific new technologies, but they need to
be supplemented by reading in current online sources ranging from
CCO, to RFCs and I-D's, to reliable websites.
There certainly are both free and commercial sources of scenarios
that explore the new technologies, but those won't teach the
underlying principles[1] -- which is more the focus of the CCIE
Written. Shawn gives a good starting point of printing the
blueprints and CCO material, although that isn't always enough.
Don't rule out looking at the documentation of similar features from
other vendors. Long before I worked for Nortel (and I don't any
longer), I'd occasionally be baffled by something in the Cisco
documentation. Sometimes, I'd find the downloadable Nortel
documentation for the equivalent feature easier to read. "Match
template" , for example, is much more intuitive to me than
"access-list", especially considering "access control list" already
has well-defined meaning in security, a meaning somewhat different
than Cisco's.
I'm comfortable with RFCs and reading IETF mailing lists, but I
recognize not everyone else is. Sort of an aside on that--with one
more conference call, I _think_ our BMWG draft on BGP convergence
terminology will be ready to go to RFC. Ironically, the most
controversial parts are in definitions that we needed to clean up
ambiguities in the current BGP standard, RFC 1771. The current draft
of the new BGP standard, which you can find by going to www.ietf.org
and navigating to "working groups" and then "IDR", is MUCH closer to
real-world practice than is 1771. For example, contrary to general
belief, AS path length as a BGP route selection criterion is not in
1771, but is in the new draft.
Howard
[1] I recommend the term "principles" rather than "theory" for most
discussions
in certification. In my mind, "theory" is much more what protocol
designers consider in creating protocol specifications, while
"principles"
detail the implementation requirements and options -- and how they work
_within_ the protocol specifications.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Larry Letterman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 2:34 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: CCIE Written Traning [7:63494]
>
>I studied the caslow book and did the paper by Dennis L. on
>the sna token ring stuff.
>The Boson test by the same Dennis was the icing on the cake
>for me...you will probably want to
>know MPLS/Multicast and QOS also now....
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kaminski, Shawn G"
>To:
>Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:11 AM
>Subject: RE: CCIE Written Traning [7:63494]
>
>
>> I don't know of any training classes for the CCIE Written,
>probably because
>> the CCIE Written covers a lot of oddball technologies,
>etc. If you did find
>> a class, all they would probably do is go over the topics
>on the CCIE
>> Written blueprint. Why bother paying for a class when you
>can do that for
>> free?!! Just go the Cisco site, print out the blueprint,
>and start searching
>> CCO on each topic. It's probably the best way to study for
>the CCIE Written.
>>
>> Shawn K.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Arni V. Skarphedinsson
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:21 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: CCIE Written Traning [7:63494]
>>
>> Can any one recomed a good traning class for the CCIE
>Written Exam, most of
>> the CCIE traning programs I see offerd are traning for the
>lab, after you
> > have taken the written.
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