I used Caslow, found it really good, also used the new Cisco Press book (both the R&S,l and the lab). Even if you are studying for your written exam, it sometimes really helps to go through what you are learning in a lab environment
The Long and Winding Road wrote: > > a couple of comments in-line, like the skates: > > > ""Howard C. Berkowitz"" wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > At 10:21 PM +0000 2/22/03, Kaminski, Shawn G wrote: > > >You're talking about the old exam. While the Caslow book > probably still > > >covers some of the material on the new exam, the new exam is > much more in > > >depth on goofy stuff. Follow the blueprint for the best > results. > > > > > >Shawn K. > > > > Different books have different objectives. Caslow, I believe, > > remains the best book giving a general strategy for analyzing > lab > > scenarios and planning the lab effort, although it may be > dated on > > some of the specific technologies. > > > > Caslow most definitely is a CCIE Lab strategy guide, and yes > some specifics > are maybe a bit dated. For example, Caslow suggests confgiuring > your Lab in > latyers, starting by doing the physical cabling, then adding > the L2 > protocols all the way around, prior to any L3 addressing. > Obviously, since > the candidate does no cabling in the one day scenario ( and > eventually in > the all remore rack scenario that no doubt is in the pipeline ) > this > strategy is obsolete. > > Even the 2nd edition was released two years ago, so yeah, it > still talks > about IPX, but many of the other topics covered are well worth > considering. > And yeah, Caslow doesn't cover certain topics which are seeing > more point > value in the recent spate of CCIE Labs. > > > > > Given the time lag of books -- often a year or more between > first > > contract and commercial availability -- you simply may not be > able to > > depend on a single review book for the written. There > certainly can > > be valid review books for specific new technologies, but they > need to > > be supplemented by reading in current online sources ranging > from > > CCO, to RFCs and I-D's, to reliable websites. > > > > There certainly are both free and commercial sources of > scenarios > > that explore the new technologies, but those won't teach the > > underlying principles[1] -- which is more the focus of the > CCIE > > Written. Shawn gives a good starting point of printing the > > blueprints and CCO material, although that isn't always > enough. > > > > Don't rule out looking at the documentation of similar > features from > > other vendors. Long before I worked for Nortel (and I don't > any > > longer), I'd occasionally be baffled by something in the Cisco > > documentation. Sometimes, I'd find the downloadable Nortel > > documentation for the equivalent feature easier to read. > "Match > > template" , for example, is much more intuitive to me than > > "access-list", especially considering "access control list" > already > > has well-defined meaning in security, a meaning somewhat > different > > than Cisco's. > > > I'm fascinated by the access-list, which is Cisco's structure > for initiating > a lot of different things, including route-maps, security > structures, > filtering, and the like. It's as if the access-list is central > to > understanding Cisco in much the same way that certain kinds of > structures > are central to C programming. > > > > > > I'm comfortable with RFCs and reading IETF mailing lists, but > I > > recognize not everyone else is. Sort of an aside on > that--with one > > more conference call, I _think_ our BMWG draft on BGP > convergence > > terminology will be ready to go to RFC. Ironically, the most > > controversial parts are in definitions that we needed to > clean up > > ambiguities in the current BGP standard, RFC 1771. The > current draft > > of the new BGP standard, which you can find by going to > www.ietf.org > > and navigating to "working groups" and then "IDR", is MUCH > closer to > > real-world practice than is 1771. For example, contrary to > general > > belief, AS path length as a BGP route selection criterion is > not in > > 1771, but is in the new draft. > > > > Howard > > > > [1] I recommend the term "principles" rather than "theory" > for most > > discussions > > in certification. In my mind, "theory" is much more > what protocol > > designers consider in creating protocol specifications, > while > > "principles" > > detail the implementation requirements and options -- > and how they > work > > _within_ the protocol specifications. > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Larry Letterman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 2:34 PM > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: Re: CCIE Written Traning [7:63494] > > > > > >I studied the caslow book and did the paper by Dennis L. on > > >the sna token ring stuff. > > >The Boson test by the same Dennis was the icing on the cake > > >for me...you will probably want to > > >know MPLS/Multicast and QOS also now.... > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Kaminski, Shawn G" > > >To: > > >Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:11 AM > > >Subject: RE: CCIE Written Traning [7:63494] > > > > > > > > >> I don't know of any training classes for the CCIE Written, > > >probably because > > >> the CCIE Written covers a lot of oddball technologies, > > >etc. If you did find > > >> a class, all they would probably do is go over the topics > > >on the CCIE > > >> Written blueprint. Why bother paying for a class when you > > >can do that for > > >> free?!! Just go the Cisco site, print out the blueprint, > > >and start searching > > >> CCO on each topic. It's probably the best way to study for > > >the CCIE Written. > > >> > > >> Shawn K. > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Arni V. Skarphedinsson > > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:21 AM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> Subject: CCIE Written Traning [7:63494] > > >> > > >> Can any one recomed a good traning class for the CCIE > > >Written Exam, most of > > >> the CCIE traning programs I see offerd are traning for the > > >lab, after you > > > > have taken the written. > > Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=63618&t=63494 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
