At 3:19 AM +0000 3/12/03, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
>I'll take a stab at it since nobody else did.
>
>Oliver Hensel wrote:
>>
>>  Hi!
>>
>>  Can someone point me to a document which explains
>>  what happens with a prefix that is dampened if
>>  it's distributed via two providers.
>
>I don't think you'll find a document that answers the question explicitly
>because the implicit answer is sort of obvious, as I think you realize.
>
>It's a route that's dampened, not a prefix. With two providers, in most
>cases, there would be two distinct routes to your prefix. A BGP route has
>path attributes including an AS_Path, which is a list of Autonomous System
>numbers. With two providers, the two routes will be distinct and have a
>different set of AS numbers in most situations. Otherwise what would be the
>point?

Depending on how deeply you want to go, there is a very nuanced range 
of ideas in BGP information and how it is propagated.  In our 
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-bmwg-conterm-04.txt , 
there was tremendous effort to clarify, and part of this 
clarification means that you probably have to understand the 
differences among a dozen or so seemingly alike concepts.  These are 
also being refined in  the new BGP standard, which is at draft 19 
when last I looked -- and probably still has a round or two to go.

Let's put it this way...we ducked going deeply into route flaps, much 
less dampening (an important difference -- they are NOT equivalent) 
in this version of the document. There are concepts that need to be 
most thoroughly internalized -- grokked if you will -- before dealing 
with flap control and propagation.  Quite a bit of theoretical 
analysis is available, but the associated global scalability issues 
are by no means solved.

>
>>
>>  Will only the penalized route dampened, that is
>>  will we still have connectivity if one link is
>>  flapping. I think so, but I'd like to have some
>>  confirmation for that.
>
>If just one of your links is flapping, then just one of your routes will get
>dampened. The other one will still be usable.
>
>If your two links share a circuit to the telco or physically share a path
>that has been dug up by the proverbial back-hoe operator, it's possible both
>links could be flapping, and then they will both get dampened, but hopefully
>you have a network design that avoids that problem. Don't let BGP rain on
>your parade and dampen too much at once! Have good physical diversity. ;-)
>
>Priscilla
>
>>
>>  Thanks and best regards,
>>
>>  Oliver
>>
>>
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>>  Oliver Hensel
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