I thought of joining CZ simply because I believe that the WP-CZ affair 
has become too important to just sit and watch what others are doing (at 
least when one has actually the ability to model it and try to change 
things). I must say, I think there are many structural flaws in the 
actual project but on the other hand this is what a blue print is for so 
I will  try to give my share of opinion. I think I would qualify for 
being what you call an expert, working in University, having a PhD and 
being Research the way I earn my daily bread. For this reason, knowing 
the academic world from close enough, I do see the advantages and the 
risks that the whole CZ project brings along.

I'd have many things to say but I cannot afford being boring so I will 
try to contain myself to few exemplificative points - also I don't know 
whether this ML is the right place to write this since I have the 
impression that the forum is where most of the action goes on.

In this email I want to talk of the following topics.

- Actual contents of CZ
- Internal vs. external references
- Vandalism and real names
- Be creative and innovative in providing contents
- Keep a schedule and monitor yourself


1. Actual contents of CZ
CZ's first characteristics should be: be believable, be serious. We want 
readers to know they can rely on the kind of information the find on CZ. 
This is a *huge responsibility* and should be always taken as first 
objective and never forgotten. CZ's plan is to offer credibility using 
expertise of people in the academy. Now, for this very reason I think we 
should recognize that this takes away from the project that kind of 
knowledge for which you'll never find expertise in the University. That 
means that CZ should and cannot be a fork or a mirror of WP in the first 
place because we all know that WP is, on the other hand, excellent in 
providing details about extra-academic contents.
There are, I believe, dozens of pages about every recent TV-series on 
WP, describing everything from the plot to the psyche of the characters; 
there are dozens of pages with biographies of Hollywood film stars etc.
This pages (which are probably an important core of WP) should not be 
included. They do not belong to the expertise we want to offer and they 
actually arm us: we have no control on them, they take resources (human 
and technical) and give to CZ no advantage compared to WP (meaning, 
editorially is a bad choice)

2. Internal vs. external references
The recruiting process is still in a very alpha phase. I didn't like 
what I have read so far because it seems to brake one of the fundamental 
rules of community building which is never mix up things belonging to 
the different worlds. I will make this point clear 'cause is very 
important, although it should be well known to everyone here.
CZ, WP, the free masonry, this ML, are all examples of closed 
communities. We want to transform CZ into an extension of the real world 
but this is a very courageous action: history should have taught us that 
different people behave in different ways when they are up to different 
activities. I could be a great researcher but the worst teacher at the 
same time (or viceversa) although my job requires both - I could do 
wonderful creative job but being completely unable to expose myself in a 
convincing way in a conference (or viceversa). Credentials should be 
always taken according to the job you want people to accomplish: here 
you are "hiring" editors asking them a CV for "academics". This is like 
hiring a gardener based on his CV as cook (well, not as much but almost).

Now, historically, closed communities have solved the problem of sorting 
people in two ways:
        a) using internal-internal references (i.e. experience acquired         
within 
the system, like 'ordos' for free masonry or post experience for a webforum)
        b) using internal-external references; (i.e. an extension of 1 where 
expert users take the responsibility to guarantee for new users)

CZ proposal is to use external-external references (i.e. the CV) and 
this is no good. This could be done to filter access of people on a 
first place (*although I believe is a bad idea*) but then should be 
immediately integrated to system 1. It it true that with this system iwe 
may find again in a situation where a full professor may be turned down 
by a grad student but the bottomline is that sometimes this *should* 
happen. If this never happens then we are in troubles.

3. Vandalism and real names
Fighting vandalism is another keypoint of CZ. This is again a big 
responsibility because we all know that characteristics of vandalism is 
to give strong power to a small group of people, meaning that lowering 
down vandalism to 25% is definitely not enough. Vandalism effects follow 
a non-linear curve and 10 vandals in a party of 10000 people can make 
enough damage to spoil the party to everyone. It has been proposed to 
adopt real name as a way to override that. This may work only if there 
is a systematic control behind this policy (meaning check IDs, which is 
impossible). Asking people to self-certificate their name, age and to 
provide an email account is a joke. We all know that people tend not to 
use their own data on the net.
Moreover, some author may want to keep anonymity for good reasons and it 
would be a pity to keep the door shut to them.
For this I recommend the following: CZ will require credentials from all 
editor and verify them, then editor will have the choice of being out 
with a real name or not. It should be enough for CZ's authority to be 
able to claim that "the CZ staff counts N full professors, N 
researchers, N TA, N different universities etc.".
Authors, on the other hand, will not have to provide real names but will 
have to be selected according to the points listed above 
(internal-internal references or internal-external) meaning for instance 
that people should not be able to start writing and deleting during 
their initial, test-phase. This will slowdown things but will offer the 
following advantages: drastically reduce the number of troll and 
vandals; give people an idea of personal growth, a concept that gives 
motivation. I am aware that all this is not very liberal for a wiki 
project but this is not just another wiki project.

4. Be creative and innovative in providing contents
Other ways of providing contents could be used. I suggest two, as of 
examples.
One, DO involve schools. Think of thousands of schoolclasses that are 
given the duty (and the honor) to work together, with their teachers, to 
contribute with a number of entries. These entries will be a *draft*, 
perhaps already pretty good, of the real CZ. This initiative could be 
very useful for kids, for their teachers, for CZ (also in terms of echo 
in the media).
Second, cooperate with already existing free accessible scientific 
journals (and not only). There are a few already out there (PLOS, PNAS, 
Genome Biology to name some famous ones). Most peer reviewed journals 
have reviews on specific arguments that are thought for the general 
readers. Some of them could perfectly suit as CZ entries. Once again, 
some journals would be very happy to share their resource for instance 
having a monthly or weekly shared articled with CZ. It's good for them 
in terms of publicity, it's good for CZ. I am sure even more general 
journals like National geographic or Scientific American for instance 
would be happy to 'donate' some articles to be entered in CZ.

5. Keep a schedule and monitor yourself
"Know yourself", philosopher says.
I find the biggest mistake of WP was to be absolutely ignorant of 
itself. Who really writes wikipedia? How? What is the credibility of 
scientific articles vs. political articles, really?
CZ should think of a way to track everything down from the very 
beginning. This is the only way to find and correct issues as soon as 
they arise, this is the only way to grow.

I'll stop now. Already too much. Hope I have been useful.
Last thing: what you want from experts it is not merely their 
theoretical knowledge but their ability to apply a 'method'. A 
scientific approach in researching and exposing contents.

Best
Giorgio


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