In einer eMail vom 28.10.2006 20:32:32 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit schreibt 
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> If we are going to include the English Guittar and Portugese Guittara as 
> Citterns then I feel we should also include flat-back Mandolas and Mandolins, 
> I 
> agree.  A while back in this discussion somebody put foreward that the 
> common features of a Cittern were a flattish back and wire strings. 
> If the above are to hold true, then the awkwardly-named 'Irish Bouzouki' 
> should also be included as a type of Cittern, shouldn't it ?

Kevin,

I think you've fallen prey to the "Snapshot View" of instrument development. 
Remember that the original GDAE-tuned mandolin was the Neapoitan, which (like 
earlier mandolin types) is a lute-buiilt instrument, and that the "Irish 
bouzouki" is a variant of the Greek bouzouki (same number of courses, same 
scale 
length, same variability of tuning), which is also a lute-built instrument. 

So, from the point of view of their inception and development, flat-back 
mandolins and Irish bouzoukis are in fact lute-type instruments that have 
adopted 
one feature that is typical of the citterns - the flat back. One could argue 
that the flat back of the Irish bouzouki is more infliuenced by the ubiquitous 
guitar than by the obsolete cittern! It's also good to remember that the Greek 
bouzouki (as played in Greece) also has a number of different tunings 
associated with it.

Cheers,
John D.    

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