> Tying the fortunes of Clojure to Java was a brilliant move and one
> that I've advocated for years but the trend I've seen lately to try to
> paper over the Java underpinnings of the language worries me, as does
> talk of making Clojure-in-Clojure. There's a small but viable market
> for people doing difficult things in a Java-flavored Lisp (Runa,
> Flightcaster, BackType etc), but this is where the future of Clojure
> lies - as a power tool for heavy lifting on the Java platform.

Worries you???

As far as I understand, Clojure will be able to interop with Java even when 
Clojure-in-Clojure happens, so there's nothing to worry about.

I'm quite excited about Clojure-in-Clojure. The possibilities that will offer 
are awesome. I'm looking forward to the day when it runs on LLVM. If that 
happens. :-)

- Greg

On Jun 29, 2010, at 11:15 PM, cageface wrote:

> On Jun 29, 6:25 pm, Michael Richter <ttmrich...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Are you *trying* to evoke the "Smug Lisp Weenie" vibe, cageface, or is this
>> just a natural byproduct of being a burgeoning Smug Clojure Weenie?
> 
> How many times do I have to say I'm in favor of making things as easy
> as possible for beginners before I'm exempt from this charge? How many
> decades does Lisp have to spend on the sidelines before Lispers admit
> that maybe, just maybe, it's not for everybody?
> 
> Tying the fortunes of Clojure to Java was a brilliant move and one
> that I've advocated for years but the trend I've seen lately to try to
> paper over the Java underpinnings of the language worries me, as does
> talk of making Clojure-in-Clojure. There's a small but viable market
> for people doing difficult things in a Java-flavored Lisp (Runa,
> Flightcaster, BackType etc), but this is where the future of Clojure
> lies - as a power tool for heavy lifting on the Java platform.
> 
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