On Jun 30, 5:19 am, Michael Richter <ttmrich...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 30 June 2010 11:15, cageface <milese...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Jun 29, 6:25 pm, Michael Richter <ttmrich...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Are you *trying* to evoke the "Smug Lisp Weenie" vibe, cageface, or is > > this > > > just a natural byproduct of being a burgeoning Smug Clojure Weenie? > > > How many times do I have to say I'm in favor of making things as easy > > as possible for beginners before I'm exempt from this charge? > > You're exempt from this "charge" (I view it more as a "trivially obvious > observation" myself) when you stop talking like a Smug Lisp Weenie. > > Hint: you're not coming across as a Smug Lisp Weenie because of the "make it > as easy as possible for beginners" portion of your posts.
I'm a CLer, and I've been following Clojure's development for a while, though I haven't used it yet. I agree that the answers you get from experienced CLers sometimes contain a fair amount of smugness; however, I suspect that the questions also play a role here... how often are Java, C#, C++ people asked "why is Java/C#/C++ so hard for newbies"? How do you think they'll answer the nth time that question is made? I also follow comp.lang.java.programmer for example: if you look at there, most newbie questions are like "why doesn't such-and-such work?" and are routinely answered along the lines of "first, sit down and code a self-contained example of the problem, then post it here, then, and only then, maybe someone will answer" - and no one complains. Oh, and no one asks why Java is so hard, either. And Java *is* hard, no matter what people think. I suspect that's because most people who learn Java do so as part of their job, they accept it's hard and spend a fair amount of time in learning it. People who learn Lisp often do so in their free time, and aren't prepared to spend time studying. That doesn't mean that a one- click-install for a Lisp with an IDE and some popular libraries preinstalled wouldn't be useful - it would be great! But who is going to maintain it? If you pay me well enough, I'll do it, I promise :) but until then, no one will do it unless he is so interested in having a newbie-friendly Lisp that he'll spend part of his free time for that. Are you that individual? Cheers, Alessio -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
