The syntax does complect in one case. When you really do want a list as opposed to a function call. hence quote and (list ...)
On Tuesday, 5 February 2013 07:06:37 UTC+11, tbc++ wrote: > > Parens actually don't complect, they have a very very clear meaning. They > organize functions and arguments. Let's take one line from your example: > > filter smaller xs > > So....is that the python equivalent to which of these? > > filter(smaller(xs)) > filter(smaller, xs) > filter(smaller(), xs()) > filter(smaller(xs())) > > I would also assert that Python complects formatting and semantic meaning > of the code. I'm quite proficient at Python and even I hate that fact. > > Timothy > > > > On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Sergey Didenko > <sergey....@gmail.com<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> For us as Clojure community it is easy to see how Clojure benefits >> from being a Lisp. Homoiconity, extreme conciseness, esoteric look and >> feel, etc. >> >> However it is hard to see from the inside how Clojure as ecosystem >> (probably) suffer from being a Lisp. Please don't throw rotten eggs at >> me, I mean only the part of Lisp that is ... parentheses. >> >> I remember a number of people that mention parentheses as obstacles to >> the wider Clojure adoption, in the Clojure space - in the Clojure >> related discussions, even on this mailing list IIRC. >> >> But the number of people thinking this way outside the Clojure groups >> is even bigger! We probably don't notice it because got immune to this >> famous argument "it has too many parentheses" early when diving into >> Clojure. >> >> I suggest there are a big number of people that could gain interest in >> clojure if we provide them with parentheses-lite Clojure syntax. For >> example we can steal Python way of intending blocks. >> >> For example the following quicksort implementation >> >> (defn qsort [[pivot & xs]] >> (when pivot >> (let [smaller #(< % pivot)] >> (lazy-cat (qsort (filter smaller xs)) >> [pivot] >> (qsort (remove smaller xs)))))) >> >> could be written as >> >> (set! python-style-op-op true) >> >> defn qsort [[pivot & xs]] >> when pivot >> let [smaller #(< % pivot)] >> lazy-cat >> qsort >> filter smaller xs >> [pivot] >> qsort >> remove smaller xs >> >> What do you think? >> >> Isn't is less complex? >> >> >> P.S. Ok, I must confess, the mention of the C-Word in the last >> sentence was just a desperate way to get Rich's attention. >> >> P.P.S. Actually I would also love to see Clojure community making >> video clip "Clojure - Python Style" as a remix for "G... Style", but >> this idea is probably way ahead of its time. >> >> >> Regards, Sergey. >> >> -- >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Clojure" group. >> To post to this group, send email to clo...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> >> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >> your first post. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> clojure+u...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Clojure" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to clojure+u...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > > -- > “One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that–lacking > zero–they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C > programs.” > (Robert Firth) > -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
