My 2 cents: it´s ture that the Emacs features are not discoverable and that the learning curve is mean.
But it also true that once you´ve done it, it brings you a great value. My suggestions about Emacs: 1) Start with the footage by Peepcode. It´ll save you tons of time, especially if you´re not accustomed to reading the f... manuals and prefer to see people do stuff while explaining them to you as if you were seated side by side. The Emacs docs are daunting, in my experience 2) progress towards Overtone-Live https://github.com/overtone/emacs-live . It´s a selection of packages and configurations for Clojure, and it´s awesome. With that you have a REPL inside Emacs and you can even evaluate Clojure expressioons from inside your buffer, you have autocompletion. M-. brings you to the code of the function at point (probably not of the record or macro at poin) at M-, brings back where you started from. Also the paredits combo to nest a sexp into another or to bring it out are really cool. There´s also a thing to search stuff and it makes the screen translucid with some characters colored in red and it you press the keys correpsonding to those chars it... does something I didn´t have time to try it ;-) 3) Consider that in the 24.x version there´s the "package managent" stuff. A combination of el-get and the ELPA based stuff can get you a long way. I managed to install a hairy setup for the autocompletion in python. My feeling is that this gives you a somewhat bigger control on your Emacs configuration. 4) consider that in order to reach a satisfying level, you don´t need to have it perfectly and completely set up. There are professionals who only use clojure mode and they keep a terminal with a repl aside and they switch back and forth and copy and paste expressions from te buffer to the repl in order to explore what they´re doing. That´s a perfectly acceptabe set up 5) it´s true that the debugging situation is less than ideal. I didn´t try the machinery for clojure debugging because it´s not supported in Live and I didn´t have time to install it myself, but when the need to debug something arised, I copied subexpressions of my expressions and see the results to try to isolate the sections generating problems. I concede it´s not ideal but it´s reasonable in clojure and it probably wouldn´t be in an imperative language. I keep the intention to stabilize the configuraion for a better debugging too. 6) A wildly weird suggestion: consider meeting with Emacs users with more experience and do stuff together. It´s not unreasonable as it sounds. There´s value in that. In my opinion, of course. 7) last but not least, in ripping my arguments to shreds, please consider that if you feel my opinions are gonna ruin some honest beginner, I could feel the same about yours. Our opinions are relative to the single individuals and to gazillions of other things. Also, here´s a human being on the other side of the wire and although I have learned not to contribute to the heat of the polemics, it still takes me some effort to keep calm, as I don´t always have time to stay on track with my meditation practice. OOhhhmmmmm ;-) 2013/6/5 Duane Searsmith <dsearsm...@gmail.com> > Has ne1 looked at emacs or light table or netbeans or eclipse or vim or > Intelli what ... don't know ... let us post an IDE FAQ please! > > > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Alan Thompson <thompson2...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Have any of you looked at Light Table? >> http://www.chris-granger.com/2012/04/12/light-table---a-new-ide-concept/ >> >> I wonder what it would take to get a VIM-like mode available with that? >> Alan >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Alex Baranosky < >> alexander.barano...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> There are things I love and hate about both Emacs and Intellij, so after >>> a year of working professionally with a bunch of Clojure-Emacs users, I >>> still end up using Intellij about half the time, and get my fair share of >>> harassment over it. I'd like to merge the two actually if possible. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 7:20 AM, Gary Trakhman >>> <gary.trakh...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> I used eclipse emacs+ for about a year for java code once I had started >>>> writing clojure in emacs, it made me more productive, but it was a hassle >>>> to set up. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, when eclipse updated itself to juno, it broke, and there >>>> is still no support. >>>> >>>> Going forward, I think this is a more compelling solution to get some >>>> of the benefits of eclipse in emacs: >>>> https://github.com/senny/emacs-eclim >>>> >>>> But, I think it's not quite there yet. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Kelker Ryan <theinter...@yandex.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Have you tried Eclipse Emacs+? >>>>> http://marketplace.eclipse.org/content/emacs >>>>> >>>>> 04.06.2013, 21:41, "Korny Sietsma" <ko...@sietsma.com>: >>>>> >>>>> My 2c - I use emacs, I love it. I don't inflict it on my team, and I >>>>> strongly disagree with it being "easy". To learn the basics, yes, but >>>>> full >>>>> fluency? If you have someone fluent in IntelliJ, with the major >>>>> keystrokes >>>>> in their muscle memory, and an instinctive familiarity with all the gui >>>>> features, they are not going to be as productive in emacs in a hurry. >>>>> >>>>> Also, while I love the power of emacs, it's really struggling these >>>>> days with the text-only idiom. Speedbar is no replacement for a graphical >>>>> directory tree. Coloured text blocks next to modified lines is no >>>>> replacement for being able to hover over a changed line and having a >>>>> pop-up >>>>> (a real pop-up, that is) tool tip that shows you the changes since the >>>>> last >>>>> commit. And don't get me started on selecting fonts and other >>>>> customizations... >>>>> >>>>> For an IDE for someone not from a vim/emacs background, I'd use >>>>> whichever of Intellij or Eclipse is most familiar. Eclipse is more >>>>> clojure-friendly, but it has many warts as well - if you know IntelliJ, >>>>> it's clojure plugin is definitely good enough. >>>>> >>>>> - Korny >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 3 June 2013 00:05, Wei Qiu <w...@qiu.es> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I used to use slimux+tmux combination until I find vim-fireplace. >>>>> It's really cool. For me it makes life much easier. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, January 18, 2012 8:35:34 PM UTC+1, Jeb wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Any suggestions for a vim man? >>>>> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Cedric Greevey <cgre...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Jay Fields <j...@jayfields.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > Use emacs, if you want the path of least resistance >>>>> >>>>> *boggles* >>>>> >>>>> Say WHAT? >>>>> >>>>> You've got to be kidding. That's like suggesting that the path of >>>>> least resistance in taking a trip to L.A. involves climbing the north >>>>> face of Everest instead of using an airplane. In particular, the >>>>> learning curve of emacs and the north face of Everest, in a shocking >>>>> coincidence, turn out to have exactly the same geometry. :) >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to clo...@googlegroups.com >>>>> >>>>> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient >>>>> with your first post. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> clojure+u...@**googlegroups.com >>>>> >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/**group/clojure?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Jeb Beich >>>>> http://www.red-source.net/jeb >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >>>>> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient >>>>> with your first post. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Kornelis Sietsma korny at my surname dot com http://korny.info >>>>> .fnord { display: none !important; 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