I always felt that clojure compared to java is about 10x more dense, but only 3x harder to read and write in lines, and the overhead is dependent on the level of abstraction, as it should be. Having only the essence removes noise.
Also, in java, raising the level of abstraction generally creates more code, in clojure it creates less. On Saturday, April 5, 2014, t x <txrev...@gmail.com> wrote: > The way I think about syntax is: > > Given: > > * my brain has limited processing power (measured in kilo-hertz ?) > * my brain has very limited L1 cache > > Question: > > * do I want to store the operator-precedence + left/right > associativity rules of Haskell operators in my brain > * spend brain cycles pattern matching the above to even _read_ the code? > > :-) > > > Having said that, I also feel, within the limits of (), one can do > creative things, like swiss arrows. > > (-<> ... > ( ... <> ... )) > > This example allows for cool "syntax", but has 0 intellectual overhead. > > On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Joseph Smith <j...@uwcreations.com> wrote: > > Clojure syntax (I.e. parentheses) enable features in the language- you > can't > > remove them without sacrificing functionality. > > > > Personally, I feel the uniformity of Clojure syntax makes it easier for > me > > to reason about code. When I'm working in a language like, say, Ruby, I > have > > to think ahead about whether or not I need/will need delimiters (e.g. > > parentheses) depending on how I'm composing code. > > > > --- > > Joseph Smith > > @solussd > > > > > > On Apr 5, 2014, at 12:57 PM, Timothy Baldridge <tbaldri...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > I find Haskell syntax completely unreadable. Just saying.... > > > > On Apr 5, 2014 11:36 AM, "Travis Wellman" <twell...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> When I started learning Haskell after a year or more of Clojure, the > >> syntax was refreshing, and I found myself wishing I could write Clojure > with > >> Haskell syntax. > >> > >> Later I left Clojure behind for plain Java because of code maintenance > >> issues. I had been writing elegant but deeply nested Clojure code that > was > >> very difficult to read and realized that Clojure nurtures this > propensity in > >> its users. Though it's possible to write flatter more linear, more > readable, > >> more maintainable code, I didn't really want to, and other languages are > >> designed for such. > >> > >> Now I'm coming back to those old discoveries again, and thinking about > >> Clojure, and wondering how much work it would be to write a new > Haskell-ish > >> syntax for using Clojure. I was just looking at core.logic tests, which > are > >> a perfect example of hard-to-read, using single letter variables, few > >> newlines, and zero comments. > >> > >> To be clear, in this topic I'm not interested in the functional purity > of > >> Haskell, nor it's libraries or type system, but just the syntax. > >> > >> Has anyone had a similar experience? > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> Groups "Clojure" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > >> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > >> your first post. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > >> For more options, visit this group at > >> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > >> --- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >> "Clojure" group. > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > >> email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "Clojure" group. > > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your > > first post. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Clojure" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
