Does Swift have any static types to harvest? :)
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 1:50 AM, David Nolen <dnolen.li...@gmail.com> wrote: > I wouldn't pass judgement on Swift too soon. Eval works just fine in the > REPL and it appears the language supports hot code loads out of the box. > Swift also has real support for final fields via 'let'. I personally think > a ClojureSwift could be quite interesting :) > > On Wednesday, June 4, 2014, Timothy Baldridge <tbaldri...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I'm starting to feel like a broken record, but here we go. >> >> Some things to think about: >> >> 1) Why do you want this? The JVM GC and JIT are some of the fastest (if >> not the fastest) on the planet, so performance will never be a good reason >> to do this. >> 2) Do you want something like eval? As far as I can tell Swift is >> statically compiled. Only XCode has the ability to modify a program on the >> fly. >> 3) Clojure is highly polymorphic and dynamically typed. Walk the source >> code for first and next and you'll find something like 3-4 polymorphic >> calls involved in something as simple as (doseq [x (range 100)]), per item. >> 4) I have yet to see performance numbers for Swift....how fast/slow is it >> compared to other languages? >> >> To put this all into perspective, I once translated LazySeq to C++ and >> ran some code (with a GC) that performed something like (doall (range >> 100000)). The result was about 10x slower than Clojure on the JVM. So >> simply running something in C++/LLVM doesn't mean that you'll even get >> close to the performance of the JVM. >> >> Memory constrained systems might benefit from a LLVM Clojure. In addition >> there's room for improvement with the JVM's horrible warmup times. Python >> will boot instantly on most systems while the Clojure REPL takes about a >> minute to boot on the RPi. But aside form that, I can't see much of a >> point. >> >> If you want something like this there's always ( >> https://github.com/galdolber/clojure-objc) >> >> Timothy >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Greg Knapp <virtual.g...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> The recent release of Swift made me revisit Clojure on LLVM. This post >>> from 2010 >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/clojure/KrwtTsdYZ8I/Qf8PSMeoZCUJ> >>> suggests it's a very difficult task. >>> >>> Swift would make this job easier? As with ClojureScript, generate Swift >>> code / provide interop and Clojurian's can produce native iOS apps? >>> >>> Perhaps the biggest hole to be filled would be tooling (Xcode is not >>> Clojure/Lisp friendly? i.e. no playground support) >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >>> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >>> your first post. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> “One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that–lacking >> zero–they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C >> programs.” >> (Robert Firth) >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Clojure" group. >> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >> your first post. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Clojure" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. 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