Hi Brett,

The "reply-to" header is exactly what bothering us. It make us go
through every thread to check if it's the one we've involved or not.

And, people would able to update their mail client filter to the get
the result they want when we're using current policy, but they can't
get the mail they involved when we enforce "reploy-to" policy.

I know it's an enforcement for new member reply in the public, but I
believe it's better(and not that hard) to be spontaneously.

--Sheng

On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Brett Porter <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I hate jumping in after the fact, but I wanted to check if that was the 
> result everyone was expecting? What I understood from the previous thread was 
> that the community would build up a convention of CCing people to get their 
> attention, not that the default reply-to would be changed.
>
> I'm confused by the claim that the list stripped To/CC, as I can see examples 
> where they were retained when used [1] [2]. When I reply-to-all on those 
> messages, they are also retained as CCs. Is that not what you were seeing?
>
> The thing that wasn't retained was a CC of the sender if you reply-to-all, 
> but a better alternative to that would be for people wishing to have that 
> behaviour to CC themselves on mails they send to the list. I know at least 
> one person said they didn't want to be CC'd on list mails, and they could 
> then choose whether or not that happens.
>
> The reason reply-to the list is the default is so that the default mode of 
> operation is communicating with the entire community publicly. It is probably 
> most helpful to newer members of the list that aren't yet familiar with the 
> conventions. This change will particularly trip up those that are new to the 
> list, but familiar with other ASF lists where reply-to is predominantly set. 
> If you intend to continue with the change, you may want to consider adding a 
> message trailer that reminds readers of the difference, and points them to 
> the mailing list guidelines.
>
> Cheers,
> Brett
>
> [1] 
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-cloudstack-dev/201302.mbox/raw/%3cca+96gg4yvnrybjmy4yrqwtpqzlklyeb39n1kqwcf06yswx_...@mail.gmail.com%3E
> [2] 
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-cloudstack-dev/201302.mbox/raw/%[email protected]%3E
>
> On 06/02/2013, at 8:44 AM, Sheng Yang <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Based on the discussion in
>> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.cloudstack.devel/9216 ,
>> I've requested Infra team to disable the list from adding a reply-to
>> header pointing to the list, which means, from now on, every thread
>> you participated, would keep you in the thread, by sending mail to you
>> directly(when others are "replying all").
>>
>> So there is one new rule need to be emphasized: Do remember to reply all.
>>
>> I've updated the mailing list guide line to include:
>>
>> <quote>
>> Always use "Reply to All", to keep everyone and mailing list in the
>> thread. Don't be afraid to make a correction if you used "Reply" to
>> single people involved by mistake.
>> </quote>
>>
>> I hope this movement would make the communication more effective.
>>
>> PS: you may want to update your mailing list filter, and set your mail
>> client's to "Reply All" by default.
>>
>> --Sheng
>
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