Partly, and is better than none. Anyway, it's the community and it's your choice. We can call a vote again if you want.
--Sheng On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Alex Huang <[email protected]> wrote: > The current behavior is not the one I've signed up for. Maybe I > misunderstood what was being said myself. I agree with Brett. I thought the > idea was people can cc people directly if they know who they want to get the > attention of but the mailing list is still the reply-to address. You are > still responsible for the topics and tags you're interested in. > This convention would have made it easier to filter tags and for any mail > that cced you to a folder. The recipient should still scan mail subjects > without tags occasionally but they don't have to worry about missing emails > because they know full well that if something needs your attention the sender > would have cced you. > > As the way this is implemented, if you and brett replied to an email > separately and I replied to your email, Brett is not included anyways so > again it loses any type of advantage you think this implementation gains. > > --Alex > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sheng Yang [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 3:06 PM >> To: Brett Porter >> Cc: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] cloudstack-dev mailing list has stripped "Reply-to" >> header >> >> Hi Brett, >> >> The "reply-to" header is exactly what bothering us. It make us go >> through every thread to check if it's the one we've involved or not. >> >> And, people would able to update their mail client filter to the get >> the result they want when we're using current policy, but they can't >> get the mail they involved when we enforce "reploy-to" policy. >> >> I know it's an enforcement for new member reply in the public, but I >> believe it's better(and not that hard) to be spontaneously. >> >> --Sheng >> >> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Brett Porter <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > I hate jumping in after the fact, but I wanted to check if that was the >> > result >> everyone was expecting? What I understood from the previous thread was >> that the community would build up a convention of CCing people to get their >> attention, not that the default reply-to would be changed. >> > >> > I'm confused by the claim that the list stripped To/CC, as I can see >> > examples >> where they were retained when used [1] [2]. When I reply-to-all on those >> messages, they are also retained as CCs. Is that not what you were seeing? >> > >> > The thing that wasn't retained was a CC of the sender if you reply-to-all, >> but a better alternative to that would be for people wishing to have that >> behaviour to CC themselves on mails they send to the list. I know at least >> one >> person said they didn't want to be CC'd on list mails, and they could then >> choose whether or not that happens. >> > >> > The reason reply-to the list is the default is so that the default mode of >> operation is communicating with the entire community publicly. It is probably >> most helpful to newer members of the list that aren't yet familiar with the >> conventions. This change will particularly trip up those that are new to the >> list, >> but familiar with other ASF lists where reply-to is predominantly set. If you >> intend to continue with the change, you may want to consider adding a >> message trailer that reminds readers of the difference, and points them to >> the mailing list guidelines. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Brett >> > >> > [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-cloudstack- >> dev/201302.mbox/raw/%3CCA+96GG4YVnrYBjMy4yRQwtpqZLKLYeb39n1kq >> [email protected]%3E >> > [2] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-cloudstack- >> dev/201302.mbox/raw/%[email protected]%3E >> > >> > On 06/02/2013, at 8:44 AM, Sheng Yang <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> Based on the discussion in >> >> >> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.cloudstack.devel/9216 , >> >> I've requested Infra team to disable the list from adding a reply-to >> >> header pointing to the list, which means, from now on, every thread >> >> you participated, would keep you in the thread, by sending mail to you >> >> directly(when others are "replying all"). >> >> >> >> So there is one new rule need to be emphasized: Do remember to reply >> all. >> >> >> >> I've updated the mailing list guide line to include: >> >> >> >> <quote> >> >> Always use "Reply to All", to keep everyone and mailing list in the >> >> thread. Don't be afraid to make a correction if you used "Reply" to >> >> single people involved by mistake. >> >> </quote> >> >> >> >> I hope this movement would make the communication more effective. >> >> >> >> PS: you may want to update your mailing list filter, and set your mail >> >> client's to "Reply All" by default. >> >> >> >> --Sheng >> > >> > -- >> > Brett Porter >> > [email protected] >> > http://brettporter.wordpress.com/ >> > http://au.linkedin.com/in/brettporter >> > http://twitter.com/brettporter >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >
