On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Leo De Marco <[email protected]> wrote:
> Te contesto algunas que me las se… > > > > - Supuestamente son mas rapidos que todos. Pero, cuando le pregutamos sobre > benchmarks o "cuanto" mas rapido eran, la respuesta fue que era info > sensible y que solo se lo decían a sus clientes > > Por lo que se hasta 4 veces mas rapido que vs, pero eso fue con la vm v1, > no se la actual > > > Pero yo estaba interesado en comparaciones con otras vm/dialectos como VW, Cog y Gemstone. > - La VM soportaría varios lenguages. No sólo dialectos Smalltalk, pero sino > otros lenguajes. Onda como podes hacer un connector para Ruby en > Gemstone....lo que deberias hacer es el bytecode transofrmation creo, no > estoy seguro. > > aca esta la explicacion: http://www.dng.st/gvm.htm lo interesante me > parece es que va a bancar MSIL, eso para muchas empresas y no empresas creo > que es algo interesante y valioso para plataformas windows > ok, gracias por el link. saludos mariano > > > A ver si logramos sacarles una version para la popu! jajaja > > > > abrazo, > > Leo > > > > *De:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *En nombre de *Mariano Martinez Peck > *Enviado el:* jueves, 22 de julio de 2010 07:12 a.m. > *Para:* [email protected] > *Asunto:* Re: [clubSmalltalk] RV: Next Generation @ Camp Smalltalk London > > > > Yo estuvo ahí en la charla. James Robertson la filmó, así que subirá el > video a su sitio (si ya no lo hizo). > > La verdad es que la charla estuvo buena, pero hasta ahí nomas. O sea, > comentaron las ventajas y las cosas buenas que tiene. Pero...no comentaron > nada a nivel técnico ni implementativo. > Lo peor (pobre) fue que Frank estaba muy enfermo y sin voz... > > Claramente tienen una visión totalmente distinta a la mía, pero la acepto > completamente. Les tiro las puntas que YO entendí: > > - No es, ni nunca va a ser open-source > - Supuestamente son mas rapidos que todos. Pero, cuando le pregutamos sobre > benchmarks o "cuanto" mas rapido eran, la respuesta fue que era info > sensible y que solo se lo decían a sus clientes > - Supuestamente la migración es posta, facil y anda > - La VM soportaría varios lenguages. No sólo dialectos Smalltalk, pero sino > otros lenguajes. Onda como podes hacer un connector para Ruby en > Gemstone....lo que deberias hacer es el bytecode transofrmation creo, no > estoy seguro. > - Multithread and multiprocess > - The VM is written in Assembly, not C. > - Only windows for the moment, but just because they clients run windows. > They said everything will be on demand, when someone pays. If a client wants > Linux, they will do it. If the client wants a multithredaded debugger, they > will do it....etc > - Podrias tener varias imagenes, incluso de dialectos distintos, corriendo > en cpus o thredas distintos, y enviarse mensajes de uno a otro. > > bueno, eso es mas o menos lo que yo entendí. Tal vez la realidad sea un > poco parecida ;) > > Saludos > > Mariano > > On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Me suena muy raro que no hayan publicado tan importante anuncio en la > lista de Dolphin, como que tampoco se haya hablado del tema en la > "twittosfera". > > El hermetismo no me cae muy simpático, será cuestion de SEGUIR > esperando, y tal vez para fin de año se abra la caja de Pandora. > > Saludos. > > > Esteban A. Maringolo > > > 2010/7/21 Leo De Marco <[email protected]> > > > > > Para los que esten en Londres! > > > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > > De: Using Visual Smalltalk for Windows/Enterprise [mailto:VSWE- > > > [email protected]] En nombre de Alejandro F. Reimondo > > > Enviado el: miércoles, 21 de julio de 2010 08:57 a.m. > > > Para: [email protected] > > > Asunto: Next Generation @ Camp Smalltalk London > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > After weeks of work in Berlin and committing important bussiness in > > > England, > > > my partner Frank Lesser and me attended Camp Smalltalk London [1]. > > > We made at the Camp the first presentation about our > > > Next Generation platform [2]. > > > We had full audience! It is really nice to see how much > > > smalltalkers are interested in facing a fresh future for smalltalk! > > > > > > We have shown our VM running and made an informal presentation > > > of some low level details of the platform and promoted conversation > > > about what we call the next Generation of Smalltalk technology, > > > how it can impact in smalltalk world and the benefits of the business > > > plan I designed in the last years that make real zero cost portability > > > technically possible between smalltalk platforms (and other). > > > Frank have shown slides related with the history of our enterprise, > > > also some information about previous VMs and commented about the > > > limitations imposed by choosing intermediate languages (like C) > > > in our old VMs, and a few words about features that was possible > > > to implement in our new version of the VM (we have released version > > > 2.0) > > > with our assembler to build the VM (speed matters but it is > > > not the only reason to use our ASM). [3] > > > I talked about our compromise with Smalltalk History and how > > > it was considered in the design of our strategy to face the near > > > future, > > > also talked about our inmediate plans and how our VM can be used > > > to host simultaneously diferent smalltalk platform without loosing > > > perfomance and exchanging information. > > > We also shown at the camp the Expresso framework and how > > > VSE applications run hosted by our VM in minutes. > > > > > > We will make the next presentations of the platform in our Event in > > > Tarvisio (Italy) at end of September of this year. > > > Contact us if your company is interested in our technology > > > and/or you want to attend the event this year [4], we need > > > to know in advance how much people will attend and > > > also send you information and conditions we need to > > > agree to use our platform at the event. > > > The Tarvisio event is designed to understand, explore and try > > > our platform from the inside. This year we will make focus on > > > workshops > > > to exploit the new features, try integration frameworks and as usual > > > (the > > > most > > > important topics...) migration and maintenance. > > > The workshop on VM internals, migration and new features are included > > > as in the Round-0 event last year. [5] > > > > > > I wish to thank the excellent care and kindness of the people of > > > Pinesoft, > > > Cincom, ESUG and Instantiations. > > > We ahve had dinner at the ABSOLUTE Icebar (soponsored by Cincom) > > > but couldn't enter in the Icenbar because Frank was ill and we needed > > > to return hotel. Hope will be another opportunity soon to visit! :-) > > > > > > Also a big thank to James Robertson that made us a postcast > > > we are anxious and waiting for the media for people > > > that could'nt be there. > > > James made a montage of the entire Camp Smalltalk event [6]. > > > > > > with best regards, > > > Ale. > > > > > > [1] http://cslondon2010.eventbrite.com/ > > > [2] http://www.dng.st > > > [3] http://www.dng.st/gvm.htm > > > [4] http://www.dng.st/impressum.htm > > > [5] http://www.dng.st/tarvisio_2009_report.htm > > > [6] http://www.jarober.com/blog/blogView > > > > > > *** this signature added by listserv *** > > > *** Visit http://www.listserv.dfn.de/archives/vswe-l.html *** > > > *** for archive browsing and VSWE-L membership management *** > > > > > > -- > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<clubsmalltalk%[email protected]> > > > > http://www.clubSmalltalk.org > > -- > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<clubsmalltalk%[email protected]> > > http://www.clubSmalltalk.org > > > > -- > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<clubsmalltalk%[email protected]> > > http://www.clubSmalltalk.org > > -- > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<clubsmalltalk%[email protected]> > > http://www.clubSmalltalk.org > -- To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] http://www.clubSmalltalk.org
