Russ may be on to something here.

Why race with a furler?  Has your PHRF rule changed to allow a sail change 
while still taking the furling credit? Or more credit for the furler than 
before?
(Our Chesapeake Bay PHRF hasn't changed either of these that I know of)

We ditched the furler (and furling credit) a few years ago to be able to swap 
the #1 with the #3 if conditions dictated.

-Keith Morgenstern

-----Original Message-----
From: Russ & Melody [mailto:russ...@telus.net] 
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 13:22
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast rake adjustment

Yeah, as Rich says.

And next year let's do a mast replacement on her. Say, a carbonF & double 
spreader, 7/8, C/Ps moved inboard. 
Sized to current jibs so PHRF won't notice the change? :)

Now seriously Dennis, 
Do you race with the roller furling sail or have jibs that tack to the deck?

        Cheers, Russ
        Sweet 35 mk-1

At 08:51 AM 08/09/2012, you wrote:


        Keep going;). Extreme is good. 
        
        Rich 
        
        On 2012-09-08, at 9:46, "Dennis C." <capt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
        
        Chuck,
        
        I'm trying to keep the drum as close to the deck as possible.  When 
re-assembled, I'm trying to have the furler turnbuckle close to being 
two-blocked.  That's why it's critical to get this right.
        
        This is really an example of extreme rig tweaking.
        
        Dennis C.
        
        


                From: Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net >
                
                To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
                
                Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2012 8:21 AM
                
                Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast rake adjustment
                
                
                Hi Dennis,
                
                Before ordering the new headstay, I would experiment by adding 
a toggle to the bottom of the headstay.  A toggle at the top sounds like 
someone reheaded the rod and made it too short?  Is there a toggle on the 
backstay that you can remove and use on the headstay?
                
                Setup your rig, go sailing.  See if it works how you want, then 
order the new stay to that length.
                
                
                I have read that 1 degree of mast rake is a boat designer's 
target.  Sailmakers like more rake, especially for light air.  Some tuning 
guides (J35) suggest adding a 2" toggle to the headstay when racing in less 
than 15 knots and removing that when true wind is above.   Some of this is 
driven by weather helm.  You know your boat best.
                
                
                Chuck
                
                Resolute
                
                1990 C&C 34R
                
                Atlantic City, NJ
                
________________________________

                From: "Jake Brodersen" <captain_j...@cox.net>
                
                To: "Dennis C." <capt...@yahoo.com>, cnc-list@cnc-list.com
                
                Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2012 8:56:01 AM
                
                Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast rake adjustment
                
                
                Dennis,
                
                 
                
                Instead of lengthening the forestay, can you move the butt of 
the mast forward any?  I think a ½” of movement at the base of the mast 
should give you at least 5” at the masthead.
                
                 
                
                Jake
                
                 
                
                 
                
                Jake Brodersen
                
                C&C 35 Mk-III
                
                "Midnight Mistress
                
                Hampton VA
                
                 
                
                 
                
                 
                
                From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>  [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> ] On Behalf Of Dennis C.
                
                Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 6:14 PM
                
                To: Cn Clist
                
                Subject: Stus-List Mast rake adjustment
                
                 
                
                OK, check my math and thinking on this one.  
                
                 
                
                I want to increase the rake in Touche's mast.  I made some 
changes in the rig a few months ago which brought the masthead forward so the 
plumb from the masthead is only about 6 inches aft of the gooseneck.  It used 
to be 9-10 inches to get 1 degree of rake.
                
                 
                
                The foretriangle is close to a right triangle.  I=44' and J = 
14.5'.  If I add the 6 inches to J (for the plumb drop from the masthead), I 
get a right triangle with sides of 44.0 and 15.0 and a hypotenuse of 46.487 
(the forestay).  
                
                 
                
                So, if I want to move the masthead aft another 6 inches, I end 
up with a triangle of 44.0, 15.5 and 46.650.  The difference in the lengths of 
the hypotenuses (hypoteni?) is 0.163 or about 2 inches.  By my thinking, I need 
a new forestay about 2 inches longer than the existing one.
                
                 
                
                There's more to the story than this, like it's really 5 inches 
each for the plumb and rake increase and I'm removing an extra toggle from the 
top but the math and method should be right.
                
                 
                
                Am I right?
                
                 
                
                Dennis C.
                
                Touche' 35-1 #83
                
                Mandeville, LA
                
                 
                
                 
                
                 
                
                
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