The sponge idea is brilliant! Maybe you should have gotten your trimmer a gym membership instead of the 12:1 outhaul! My stopper is in front of a winch, so I'll use the internal block that's already rigged.
Joel On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Morgenstern, Keith E CIV SEA 08 NR < keith.morgenst...@navy.mil> wrote: > Sorry to be late to the game, was on an email hiatus for a while. > > Yes, I put in a 12:1 tackle. My boat originally had no purchase at all. > I did it by: > 1. Running a piece of spectra thru the clew, one end dead-ended at the > back of the boom and the other end into the sheave at the back (this > gives 2:1 off the bat) > 2. Attaching a single block to the end of the spectra, and running > another line from the front of the boom (this end is dead-ended), thru > the block, and back toward the front (this end is the working end) (this > gives another 2:1) > 3. Attaching a single block with a beckett to the free end of the line > above. (this gives 3:1 on top of the last purchase) The other ends > This last one was the trickiest, because I had to mount a single block > on the inside of the boom to be the other part of this purchase. > Drilling and Taping and threading, etc. but I used my "drill-tap" and > it came out great. > > Adding up, we have a 3:1 pulling on 2:1 pulling on 2:1....so 2x2x3 = > 12:1 > > I used spectra for all of it except the last line. You only really > *need* spectra for the very first line on the list, because it's going > to pass thru the clew without a block, so a low friction line is best. > I used spectra for the middle line because it's absurdly easy to splice. > I used a regular 5/16" double braid for the last bit so it's easy to > handle. > No winches needed. > > The *only* time that the friction is a problem is when I'm at the dock, > have forgotten to de-tension the outhaul, and have to pull it loose by > hand. > My mainsail clew doesn't have a slug as many do, instead I have a long > (4' or so) webbing strap that gets wrapped many times round the boom. > Both faces have Velcro on it, so each wrap sticks to the next. I leave > it with about 1" of gap at the top so it's loose enough to slide along > the boom when I adjust the outhaul. > > > As for how to keep critters and birds out of the mast, I took a big > sponge, maybe 7"x5", and folded it in half and stuffed one in each end. > It's big enough to fill the whole space, yet let the lines pass. After > a few days, the dryed sponge will get hard and wedge itself in place. > When I need to get in there, I just re-wet the sponge and it becomes > pliable and easy to remove. > > > -Keith M > 35/3 Beyond the Sea > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Collins [mailto:cnclistforw...@hotmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 9:30 > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Outhaul > > Hi Joel > On mine there are no blocks inside the mast, my outhaul runs straight > through the boom, down to the mast collar at the deck, and aft on port > side. To adjust it we have to put it on a winch in all but very light > winds. > > I think Keith (also a 35-3) has blocks internal to his boom, if I'm > recalling correctly he said 12:1, which means you could adjust it with > two fingers, but would have more friction obviously... if he is on maybe > > he can confirm/deny that recollection. > > Graham Collins > Secret Plans > C&C 35-III #11 > > > Joel Aronson wrote: > > Thanks. I usually sew the new and old lines end to end with whipping > > thread and then tape them. So far it has worked! The loose footed main > > > removes a lot of friction. > > I have duct tape on the end of the boom to keep out the birds. I'll > > have to pull it and see what in there. I never really looked for > blocks. > > > > Joel > > 35/3 > > > > > > On Dec 30, 2012, at 8:46 AM, dwight veinot > > <dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca <mailto:dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca>> > > wrote: > > > >> Joel > >> > >> I meant "loose foot" main sail, not open foot, please excuse a > >> momentary senior mental block. Also if you do try to remove those > >> internal blocks through the open back of the boom in order to replace > > >> the outhaul line it helps to attach a messenger line to the loose end > > >> of the outhaul to assist with reinstallation. > >> > >> If you use a cabin top winch to assist with outhaul control I am not > >> sure if the internal blocks which give the 4:1 purchase are > >> necessary. I think the outhaul would run out much easier in light air > > >> if they were not present > >> > >> Dwight Veinot > >> > >> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna > >> > >> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> *From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of > >> *dwight veinot > >> *Sent:* December 29, 2012 11:37 PM > >> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > >> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Outhaul > >> > >> Joel > >> > >> For some reason my 35 MKII has the same boom as the 35 MKIII and > >> therefore the "E" dimension is 12' 5" which is the same as on the 35 > >> MKIII instead of 13' 6" that was standard on the MKII design. The > >> boom on my 35 MKII is equipped with internal clew outhaul just as Ron > > >> described including the internal block set that gives a 4:1 advantage > > >> on the outhaul and therefore I expect that you will find these blocks > > >> inside of your boom. I have not yet had any issue with the wire or > >> the shackle damaging the boom and with the Lewmar clutch forward of > >> the cabin top winch I also use the winch when hardening up on the > >> outhaul. I found that this clew outhaul system worked a lot better > >> when I changed to an open foot main sail. > >> > >> Dwight Veinot > >> > >> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna > >> > >> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> *From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of > >> *Joel Aronson > >> *Sent:* December 29, 2012 9:22 PM > >> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > >> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Outhaul > >> > >> Ron, > >> > >> Thanks. I should have mentioned its a 35/3. I don't think there are > >> blocks inside the boom, but I better check before I cut line. > >> > >> I thought that was the way to go but wanted the confirmation. > >> > >> Joel > >> > >> Sent from my iPad > >> > >> > >> On Dec 29, 2012, at 7:36 PM, Ron Casciato <rjcasci...@comcast.net > >> <mailto:rjcasci...@comcast.net>> wrote: > >> > >>> Joel: Consensus seems to favor routing the line back to the cockpit > >>> and I would certainly agree............You didn't mention the size > of your > >>> boat, so I'm not sure my system would be effective. My 38MKIIC boom > >>> has the outhaul line exiting the underside of the boom near the mast > > >>> and is routed down to a block at the mast partner and then through a > > >>> deck organizer to the stopper.............one advantage of that is > that you > >>> can use the winch located on the cabin top to do adjustments when > >>> the load is too great for hand hauling. > >>> > >>> However, the line that exits the mast is run into my boom through a > >>> 4 purchase set of blocks .........one double block up front and a > second > >>> double one further aft. That aft block has a becket that had the > >>> "wire" portion back to exit out of the aft end of the boom for the > >>> outhaul shackle............. > >>> > >>> I found that after 10 years of this arrangement, the boom kept > >>> getting chewed up by the shackle when the outhaul was > adjusted..........so > >>> this year, I replaced that portion of the outhaul with a 6-7' > >>> section of Amsteel gray 3/8" West marine for short money for a > >>> spectra like line..............that line now exits the aft end of > the boom > >>> and is "tied directly to the main clew. > >>> > >>> The system works very smoothly and the Amsteel line has more > >>> strength than the original wire/rope configuration........... > >>> > >>> Good luck with your conversion, > >>> > >>> Ron C. > >>> > >>> Impromptu > >>> > >>> C&C 38MKIIC........'77 > >>> > >>> MassBay > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> > >>> *From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of > > >>> *Dennis C. > >>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 29, 2012 3:23 PM > >>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > >>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Outhaul > >>> > >>> Sounds like you're close. Mine is external to the boom but runs to a > > >>> block on a padeye on the aft side of the mast then to a stand up > >>> block on the deck then to a Spinlock PowerCleat by the companionway. > > >>> Functionally the same set up as you describe. > >>> > >>> Dennis C. > >>> > >>> Touche' 35-1 #83 > >>> > >>> Mandeville, LA > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> > >>> *From:*Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com > >>> <mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com>> > >>> *To:* "cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>" > >>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> > >>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 29, 2012 12:25 PM > >>> *Subject:* Stus-List Outhaul > >>> > >>> While my teak is bleaching in the garage, I need some advice on > >>> my outhaul. > >>> > >>> It currently runs to the front of the boom through 2 sheaves > >>> back into the boom and exits the bottom of the boom between the > >>> vang and mainsheet where there is a cam cleat. When I replace my > >>> clutches I could run it to the base of the mast, through the new > >>> line organizer to the clutch. > >>> > >>> It is the original wire and rope line. I plan to replace it with > >>> 3/8 StaySet. > >>> > >>> Suggestions? > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Joel > >>> 301 541 8551 > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com <http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/> > >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> > >>> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> No virus found in this message. > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> > >> Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2637/5495 - Release Date: > 12/29/12 > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> No virus found in this message. > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> > >> Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2637/5495 - Release Date: > 12/29/12 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > -- Joel 301 541 8551
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