Chuck,
The issue is more than South Haven. All of Lake Michigan is feeling the
reduced precipitation of the last couple of years. The watershed for the
Great Lakes is much smaller than most realize. We have suffered a
couple years of lower than average precipitation (I use that term to
include both rain and snow). With the limited drainage basin of the
Great Lakes, that is a big impact. There is some discussion as to
whether the dredging of the St. Clair River may have dislodged the
bedrock allowing greater drainage of Lake Huron/Lake Michigan (one
continuous body of water). The proposed evidence of that is that Lake
Erie is higher than normal.
I am an Engineer, I'll let the Scientists decide whether global warming
is the cause. My Engineering sense looks at 1964 (the previous all time
low) and wonders if SUV's were the cause of that. I also remember a
storm in 1996 where a bunch of us were loosening dock line to keep boat
from grounding on the docks during a particular storm. The docks
haven't changed since then, we set our docks at 6 foot above mean low
water. The great lakes change in a cyclical manner. I don't
particularly want to sit out a year, but I have done it before. I have
a fifth wheel trailer that we can use to keep me occupied, so shed no
tears for us. The lake will come back up.
Neil Schiller
1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7
(C&C 35, Mark I)
"Corsair"
On 1/13/2013 9:57 PM, Chuck S wrote:
So sorry I wrote my earlier calouse message. They are hard choices.
I missed a whole season due to work and family issues. Never again.
You could have her hauled, or once afloat, move the boat.
Either way, I would move the boat away from this problem, move her to
a better sailing venue and drive to her. She'll thank you for it, I
think.
Life is short and we must adapt to global warming, not just accept
it. Improvise and overcome!
Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJ
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Actually, it's both. I slip at the Municipal marina (Museum Docks).
They have been dredging since closing and I seriously think that the
water is a good 8-9 feet below the dock. The docks were place 6 feet
above mean low water (MLW). When we had the boat pulled out we were
showing a couple of inches under the keel and that was a foot and a
half ago. The other problem is that I store upriver and the river is
dredged to 6 feet below MLW. If we don' get a significant amount of
snow (we usually get right around 72 inches in the season, we are
currently are at 8 inches) then there is no way to get down river. It
is serious enough that the city has already guaranteed that our slip
fees are refundable if the water doesn't come up.
We are taking a wait and see approach. Like I said, we have stayed
out before. The last time we stayed out, I rewired the whole boat.
This time, who knows (install the hot water heater that I bought 5
years ago, refrigeration?)
I live about 15 miles west of South Haven, right in the bullseye of
the Lake Affect snow belt. We normally get about 50% more snow than
Kalamazoo.
Neil Schiller
1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7
(C&C 35, Mark I)
South Haven, Mi
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On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:35 PM, "wwadjo...@aol.com
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Neil,
I am in Pentwater, Mi and feel your pain. Is it your dockage or
your channel out to Lake Michigan that is the problem? We are all
fighting the channel dredging issue with the State/Feds.
Bill Walker
Evening Star
C n C 36
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Subject: Stus-List Stus-Trip Planning
Date: Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:05 pm
Not quite that simple. The levels of Lake Michigan/Lake Huron
have really crashed this year. We are at the lowest recorded
level since they have been taking data. Lots of theories as to
why (dredging out the bedrock in the St Clair river, two warm dry
years, etc.). We have been in South Haven for 20 years. There
was 2 inches of water under my keel when we pulled out at Labor
Day. We have lost 17 inches since then.
This isn't the first time that we have stayed out. Probably not
the last.
South Haven is a great town for sailboats, just maybe not this year.
Neil Schiller
1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7
(C&C 35, Mark I)
Corsair
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Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net <mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net>>
wrote:
Sounds like South Haven isn't a good choice for sailboats?
You sound like a smart guy. Don't be a victim. Don't keep the
boat where it can't be used. Move to a slip with deeper water?
Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJ
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We are hoping to be able to get into the water next year, so we
aren't really planning any trips yet. Lake Michigan is at all
time low levels at the moment and we aren't getting any snow or
ice cover to help bring it back up. Hate to be a naysayer, but we
are not hopeful. We are at 1/3 of the normal snowfall so far this
winter.
Neil Schiller
1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7
(C&C 35, Mark I)
"Corsair"
Waiting for the snow to fly in South Haven. Mi
On 1/9/2013 9:12 PM, Richard N. Bush wrote:
Since its time to begin planning (or dreaming) about trips or
destinations for next summer I was wondering what others have
in mind. Is anyone planning an extended trip or have a
special place in mind?
Richard
1987 33-II
Richard N. Bush Law Offices
235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor
Louisville, Kentucky 40202
502-584-7255
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From: Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com>
To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Sent: Wed, Jan 9, 2013 7:11 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List cnc-photoalbum Forum activity boost?
I agree. I always direct Sailnet people over here. The
moderators don't seem to mind.
I'm starting to keep project photos on the boat's Facebook
page. One I actually finish some it should be easy to move
them over.
Joel
35/3
The Office
Annapolis.
On Jan 9, 2013, at 6:53 PM, David Risch <davidrisc...@msn.com
<mailto:davidrisc...@msn.com>> wrote:
Martin,
Excellent point! There seems to be an unintended
disconnect between the Forum and these e-mails.
Is there a way Stu (technologically) could connect the
dots without much cutting and pasting?
Very much worth pursuing.
David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)
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From: mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com <mailto:mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 22:18:34 +0000
Subject: Stus-List cnc-photoalbum Forum activity boost?
I believe some support from the active cnc-listers would
help the cnc-photoalbum web site's Forum/Blog section be
more up to date and attractive to new or potential C&C
owners or those owners that are not aware of the email list.
If an additional lister or two were to respond to older
posts (some have dates back to 2007) it would enhance the
cnc-photoalbum as the best C&C related web site and help
avoid having Sailnet or other more general interest
sailing web sites have more up to date C&C activity.
Maybe capturing the best practices/project info from the
list topics and posting them as reference (i.e. mast step
repairs or cabin sole refinishing) would add value and
activity.
I have added comments on posts/requests when it matched my
C&C size range and experience but if too many recent posts
show my name the forum looks limited in scope.
Owning a 1970 43, a 1980 36 in the past, and having made
many offshore passages in a 1974 C&C 39 I typically
comment on "over 30ft", and other misc and general
topics. It would be great to have some input from the
more popular 25ft, 27ft, 29ft, and 35ft active owners. It
is unlikely I will be able to add any value to the recipe
section as my culinary skills are limited to burning beast
on a grill.
Anyone interested in adding a few words of wisdom?
Martin
Calypso
1970 C&C 43
Seattle
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