Dear C&C seeker, Newer C&C designs (before 1996) are faster just because they kept improving their designs. This proves out by PHRF ratings. But newer costs more.
Deep keels point better than centerboarders and are thousands of pounds lighter so they excel in lighter winds too. But in open water races, chop can stop a light boat while heavier boats maintain momentum through the rough stuff. Experienced boat handling pays huge dividends in sloppy seas and marginal winds. Stronger winds favor the 1990 37/40R a fast racer, or the 37/40+ and 37/40XL fast racer/cruiser version with a queen sized bed. Centerboards are great for the Bahamas, but I'd like the deepest, keel I can get for the BVI's. We have a fast boat, a C&C 34/36R and we race and usually finish first in our local offshore races. A fast boat requires you lead to every mark (scary to me when learning to race) when my experience was crewing on a slower boat and following the fleet. Leading means finding every mark and calculating the right laylines. A fast boat also requires you beat the slower boats with lower ratings, by time allowance, often minutes. In many races we corrected to 2nd place when we finish before a certain J-28 by less than 5 minutes in a 60 minute race. Winning at PHRF depends a great deal on hull preparation, condition of sails, skipper's boat handling skills, race management, tactics, and crew work. Beating the "friend who is winning everything" may take a lot more than getting the fastest boat. The entire fleet is trying to do that. Getting a boat designed to race like a C&C, with all the bells and whistles like oversized winches, adjustable genoa cars, and robust spinnaker gear, good underwater foils, and good sails will all help you and your crew improve skills to get closer to the front of the fleet. A fast boat will have you in clear air and leading while you are learning . But it may take a while to beat experienced skippers and crews. BTW, we are all learning, that's the fun of it, and the reason I race. Good luch with your quest, Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Aronson" <joel.aron...@gmail.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 8:57:44 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 41 vs. ? in BVI FWIW here are the PHRF NE numbers: C+C 41 72 C+C 41 1983 LIM ED 69 C+C 41 CB 75 C+C 42 81 C+C 43-1 TM 72 C+C 43-2 75 C+C 44 J 40 78 J 40 SD 90 J 41 69 J 41 FR 69 J 42 69 J 42 CARBON 66 J 42 SD 75 J 44 ODR 27 J 44 WK Joel Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2013, at 7:38 PM, Martin DeYoung < mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com > wrote: I have a conversation going with someone considering a purchase of a C&C in the 40’ range to race in BVI. I offered to present his questions to this (cnc-listers) august body to gather the combined wisdom. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original question: Down here in the BVI myself and four friends race a small Hunter 30 in the various regattas but being the smallest boat in the group we seldom get with the winners. One of our friends down here has a C&C 41 with centerboard and he wins everything, so, we are looking at getting a C&C ourselves. So, the question is, which one (41 or 43) which is where I would appreciate your guidance. There is a C&C 41fin keel in a St Martin (90 miles from us) but would the 43 custom be a faster vessel, we obviously want to beat our friend with the C&C 41 !!!! Sitting in our position, which C&C would you be looking at to race down here ?? Follow-up questions: A 41 fin keel versus a 41 center board ?? Taking a different tack (excuse the pun), how would the 41 / 43 fair against a similar size J boat, I know they are very different animals but the J's handicap might even out the odds. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have answered with some general info based on my experience with a 1970 C&C 43. I do not have any knowledge on how other C&C designs would compare with a C&C 43 / centerboard especially in BVI conditions (trade winds?). Martin Calypso 1970 C&C 43 Seattle ___________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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