Dennis and Danny, Thanks for the additional comments on the A4's
From all my reading I've seen that diesels can cause major
headaches as well - so I guess it's more about getting an engine
that is running well.
As for the "Toy" comment - Rich, I well aware that this can become
a passion and a lifestyle, but for me right now, juggling 4 kids,
house reno's and work - the boat is my cottage, weekend get away
and fun time, but still ends up taking 2nd to soccer practices and
other kids activities.
No matter what I just don't have a huge amount of free time, or
spare $ - bumping up the boat is already a leap of faith.
But it fits - when I bought the M24 last year I renamed it "Big
Picture" - on the basis that I don't really have the time or $ -
but the looking at the big picture this is more important. I
expect if/when I get a new boat I'll re-use the name (or Bigger
Picture).
I'm hoping to get on a few boats in the next couple weeks. Glad I
grabbed one of those moisture meters when Canadian Tire had them
on sale - I only just realized that the 33 and 34 have balsa cored
hulls, plus I'll have a few decks to check
Mark
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B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)
Bedford Chiropractic
www.bedfordchiro.ca
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There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
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On 01/06/2013 8:09 PM, Dennis C. wrote:
Mark,
Having had two AT4's, I can say I like the engine. I put
electronic ignition on my 1st one but stayed with the standard
points and condenser on my second. They were both dependable.
The issue I had with AT4's was not flammability. This issue
is way overblown.
The real issue with AT4's is power to the prop. The hp/torque
curve is steeper than that of a diesel. To crank out the full 25
or so hp of the AT4, you need to run 2500-2800 rpm. The vast
majority of AT4's are 1:1 drive. That's why they swing a 5 or 6
pitch prop. If you're punching into seas at 3 knots, running
2500 rpm will result in a lot of cavitation. Making bubbles
isn't efficient in transferring hp to forward motion.
Otherwise AT4's are great engines.
Dennis C.
Touché 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
Currently enjoying a cockpit cocktail in Palafox Pier marina
in Pensacola
Sent from my iPhone
Thanks for all the feedback. Some of the messages were lost
to the list, but I think I saw them in other responses.
Clearly the first thing I need to do is get on a bunch of
boats, figure out the space. I've tried to guess at how we
are going to use the boat, so I need to see how different
boats might fit that. Plus good advice to ask owners about
what weaknesses they see with their own boats.
I've narrowed my search mostly to C&C's because, as Rich
notes, it's a popular boat with good resale value, plus
there are lots available.
Based on the advice from the listers I'll open myself up to
going a bit bigger. I was initially focused on getting "the
smallest boat I can live with" - thinking it would save me
money, but I realize that I could end up with a boat that is
too small to enjoy. I'll also focus more on boat condition
rather than size -- repairs on an older boat can easily add
up to more than the cost of the boat.
Last I also had a good discussion that has me being less
threatened by A4's. I gather they can be quieter and
smoother than a diesel. Again, I'll have to get on a couple
similar sized boats and hear/feel the difference.
I'm sure I'll be looking for more advice as it goes
forwards,
Mark
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Dr. Mark Bodnar
B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)
Bedford Chiropractic
www.bedfordchiro.ca
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There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
- George Santayana
On 30/05/2013 9:49 PM, Knowles Rich wrote:
Hmm. Good list, but... If one is prone to indecision
and second guessing, this simply adds to the huge pile of
considerations to ponder before you can go sailing.
Perhaps better to decide on a popular make like C&C
that will be resellable, get a couple of knowledgeable
friends you believe in, and go looking for a decent local
boat in the price range you can tolerate. Buy it, go
sailing, and learn from the experience. There are always
bigger, better, faster and fancier boats out there, but
you won't really know what you want/need until you have
tried a couple.
Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax
Nice list!
I might add PHRF, electronics, sail inventory,
holding tank, pressure water, hot water heater.
One of my crew is looking for a boat, his
first. I sent him a list of things to
consider. Here's most of them.
Bridge clearance- friend of mine has a nice
big boat that can't get under several critical
bridges leading to some prime sailing. Touche'
is even too tall to get under some bridges where
we sail
How
are the shrouds attached? Most C&C's carry
the shroud load to the hull. Many boats carry
the load to a bulkhead. I don't like that.
Keel
- fin, bulb, shoal, wing, full, centerboard,
dagger board
Anchor
locker on foredeck?
Fold down, pedestal or mast dinette table
Split
lower shrouds vs inline shrouds
Straight
vs swept back spreaders?
Baby stay?
Diesel
vs gas?
Folding or fixed prop?
Head?
Shower?
Tiller vs wheel?
Propane
stove?
Mast head vs fractional? If I was looking
for a race boat today, I'd go fractional
Traveler location? End boom, bridgedeck,
cabintop?
Big
cockpit for entertaining?
Straight
drive vs V-drive?
Fiberglass vs holly/teak sole?
Opening
ports?
Sugar
scoop transom, stern ladder, opening
Fiberglass
headliner vs vinyl headliner
The list goes on and on.
When I was shopping for my first boat, I was
pretty ignorant. I wanted a wheel, diesel and
shower. Result? First boat - 0 for 3. Second
boat had a wheel. :)
Dennis
C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville,
LA
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