Mark When I had my boat surveyed last week the surveyor compared my Canadian Tire Mastercraft moisture meter against the one he uses. It did indeed show the relative differences between wet and dry areas but the numbers as percentages are very high and not to be taken as true readings. That said if you check a known dry spot and then compare the number to anothe area it should help with identifying wet areas. You should also try it out on your boat and a few friends boats to get the feel of it before trying on boats that you may wish to purchase. We set it to Hard Wood setting and a bone dry area reads 25%. On the surveyor's moisture meter a dry area reads 15% Mike ________________________________
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark Bodnar Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 11:28 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Bigger Boat Question Dennis and Danny, Thanks for the additional comments on the A4's >From all my reading I've seen that diesels can cause major headaches as well - >so I guess it's more about getting an engine that is running well. As for the "Toy" comment - Rich, I well aware that this can become a passion and a lifestyle, but for me right now, juggling 4 kids, house reno's and work - the boat is my cottage, weekend get away and fun time, but still ends up taking 2nd to soccer practices and other kids activities. No matter what I just don't have a huge amount of free time, or spare $ - bumping up the boat is already a leap of faith. But it fits - when I bought the M24 last year I renamed it "Big Picture" - on the basis that I don't really have the time or $ - but the looking at the big picture this is more important. I expect if/when I get a new boat I'll re-use the name (or Bigger Picture). I'm hoping to get on a few boats in the next couple weeks. Glad I grabbed one of those moisture meters when Canadian Tire had them on sale - I only just realized that the 33 and 34 have balsa cored hulls, plus I'll have a few decks to check Mark --------------------- Dr. Mark Bodnar B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C) Bedford Chiropractic www.bedfordchiro.ca --------------------- There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana On 01/06/2013 8:09 PM, Dennis C. wrote: Mark, Having had two AT4's, I can say I like the engine. I put electronic ignition on my 1st one but stayed with the standard points and condenser on my second. They were both dependable. The issue I had with AT4's was not flammability. This issue is way overblown. The real issue with AT4's is power to the prop. The hp/torque curve is steeper than that of a diesel. To crank out the full 25 or so hp of the AT4, you need to run 2500-2800 rpm. The vast majority of AT4's are 1:1 drive. That's why they swing a 5 or 6 pitch prop. If you're punching into seas at 3 knots, running 2500 rpm will result in a lot of cavitation. Making bubbles isn't efficient in transferring hp to forward motion. Otherwise AT4's are great engines. Dennis C. Touché 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA Currently enjoying a cockpit cocktail in Palafox Pier marina in Pensacola Sent from my iPhone On Jun 1, 2013, at 11:05 AM, "Dr. Mark Bodnar" <drbod...@accesswave.ca> wrote: Thanks for all the feedback. Some of the messages were lost to the list, but I think I saw them in other responses. Clearly the first thing I need to do is get on a bunch of boats, figure out the space. I've tried to guess at how we are going to use the boat, so I need to see how different boats might fit that. Plus good advice to ask owners about what weaknesses they see with their own boats. I've narrowed my search mostly to C&C's because, as Rich notes, it's a popular boat with good resale value, plus there are lots available. Based on the advice from the listers I'll open myself up to going a bit bigger. I was initially focused on getting "the smallest boat I can live with" - thinking it would save me money, but I realize that I could end up with a boat that is too small to enjoy. I'll also focus more on boat condition rather than size -- repairs on an older boat can easily add up to more than the cost of the boat. Last I also had a good discussion that has me being less threatened by A4's. I gather they can be quieter and smoother than a diesel. Again, I'll have to get on a couple similar sized boats and hear/feel the difference. I'm sure I'll be looking for more advice as it goes forwards, Mark --------------------- Dr. Mark Bodnar B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C) Bedford Chiropractic www.bedfordchiro.ca --------------------- There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana On 30/05/2013 9:49 PM, Knowles Rich wrote: Hmm. Good list, but... If one is prone to indecision and second guessing, this simply adds to the huge pile of considerations to ponder before you can go sailing. Perhaps better to decide on a popular make like C&C that will be resellable, get a couple of knowledgeable friends you believe in, and go looking for a decent local boat in the price range you can tolerate. Buy it, go sailing, and learn from the experience. There are always bigger, better, faster and fancier boats out there, but you won't really know what you want/need until you have tried a couple. Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-05-30, at 21:26, Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com> wrote: Nice list! I might add PHRF, electronics, sail inventory, holding tank, pressure water, hot water heater. Joel Sent from my iPad On May 30, 2013, at 8:19 PM, "Dennis C." <capt...@yahoo.com> wrote: One of my crew is looking for a boat, his first. I sent him a list of things to consider. Here's most of them. Bridge clearance- friend of mine has a nice big boat that can't get under several critical bridges leading to some prime sailing. Touche' is even too tall to get under some bridges where we sail How are the shrouds attached? Most C&C's carry the shroud load to the hull. Many boats carry the load to a bulkhead. I don't like that. Keel - fin, bulb, shoal, wing, full, centerboard, dagger board Anchor locker on foredeck? Fold down, pedestal or mast dinette table Split lower shrouds vs inline shrouds Straight vs swept back spreaders? Baby stay? Diesel vs gas? Folding or fixed prop? Head? Shower? Tiller vs wheel? Propane stove? Mast head vs fractional? If I was looking for a race boat today, I'd go fractional Traveler location? End boom, bridgedeck, cabintop? Big cockpit for entertaining? Straight drive vs V-drive? Fiberglass vs holly/teak sole? Opening ports? Sugar scoop transom, stern ladder, opening Fiberglass headliner vs vinyl headliner The list goes on and on. When I was shopping for my first boat, I was pretty ignorant. I wanted a wheel, diesel and shower. Result? First boat - 0 for 3. Second boat had a wheel. :) Dennis C. 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