Mark.... The comments made by others are right on regarding the price for the 29-2. I bought a comparable 29-2 in NJ last spring for $13,500 (asking was $15,000). I brought it from NJ to Toronto via the Hudson / Erie Canal to avoid shipping charges. A new, 6 pad cradle was $1,650 CDN.
The comments about the 29 being a "tender boat" are more related to the 29 mark 1. Mark 1's have to reduce sail early to avoid being overpowered. I have sailed them and as long as you adjust the sail area by furling the genoa / reefing the main they are fine. The mark 1 is a much bigger boat at 29' 10" and it has a nav station. The 29 mark 2 is a totally different design than the mark 1. It is a small 29 with a LOA of 28' 6" and it does not have a nav station (who needs one with chartplotters). The boat handles high, gusty winds on Lake Ontario with no problems. I have yet to get wet in the cockpit or bury the rail. The boat is initially somewhat "tender" but once she heels, she stiffens up quickly. Again as long as you reduce sail accordingly as the wind builds the boat will handle anything that the Lake can throw at it. I race the boat at a Wednesday night Club level where we do reasonably well. I need a new genoa (genoa on the boat was ~ 10 years old; Main was about 2 years; like new cruising chute at time of purchase) to improve performance if racing All said, I love this boat. Small enough to single hand or handle with a small crew yet spacious enough to do some cruising. Best regards, Bob Hickson, P. Eng, RHI, CEA C&C 29-2 Flying Colours Frenchman's Bay Yacht Club Pickering, ON (416) 919-2297 bobhick...@rogers.com ~~~~ __/) ~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com Sent: August-01-13 9:43 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: CnC-List Digest, Vol 91, Issue 1 Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: terrorized a buy boat (Frederick G Street) 2. Re: terrorized a buy boat (Hoyt, Mike) 3. Re: terrorized a buy boat (Chris Price) 4. Re: terrorized a buy boat (Nate Flesness) 5. Re: terrorized a buy boat (djhaug...@juno.com) 6. Re: terrorized a buy boat (Della Barba, Joe) 7. Lock combinations (Dennis C.) 8. Opening port manufacturer (TOM VINCENT) 9. Re: Lock combinations (Della Barba, Joe) 10. Another boat (Dr. Mark Bodnar) 11. Re: Another boat (Stevan Plavsa) 12. Re: Another boat (djhaug...@juno.com) 13. Re: Another boat (Steve Thomas) 14. Re: Another boat (Richard N. Bush) 15. Re: Another boat (Hoyt, Mike) 16. FOR SALE: Winter cover for a 33-1 (A. F. Cano) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 11:00:17 -0500 From: Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List terrorized a buy boat Message-ID: <d4a90c4a-e7ea-4ab0-8ff2-885ce483c...@postaudio.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Joe, -- I'm trying hard not to display total ignorance, but what's a "buy boat"? Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:39 AM, "Della Barba, Joe" <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> wrote: > After work we went up to CRYC to retrieve my boat and I pointed out the buy boat Winnie Estelle I had been aboard for 2 days doing RC work. Right at sunset we dropped the mooring and headed for home with a close pass to say hi to the skipper of the Winnie Estelle. They shined a flashlight at me as we made a beeline for them. Eventually there were two people shining lights. Then three. As we got close I realized this was ANOTHER buy boat and they thought we were a kamikaze boat trying to run them over! There are only like 20 of these things in the entire world - what are the odds of two of them in one river? > > * also after we left their anchor light went on LOL > > Joe Della Barba > Coquina > C&C 35 MK I -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130731/c4 28f3bb/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 13:23:16 -0300 From: "Hoyt, Mike" <mike.h...@impgroup.com> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List terrorized a buy boat Message-ID: <4cdebb6b0f16c541ba8f985b72705d5416915...@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Google Bay Boat Winnie Estelle and you will get the whole story. That is what I did. Very interesting too I might add Mike ________________________________ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 1:00 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List terrorized a buy boat Joe, -- I'm trying hard not to display total ignorance, but what's a "buy boat"? Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:39 AM, "Della Barba, Joe" <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> wrote: After work we went up to CRYC to retrieve my boat and I pointed out the buy boat Winnie Estelle I had been aboard for 2 days doing RC work. Right at sunset we dropped the mooring and headed for home with a close pass to say hi to the skipper of the Winnie Estelle. They shined a flashlight at me as we made a beeline for them. Eventually there were two people shining lights. Then three. As we got close I realized this was ANOTHER buy boat and they thought we were a kamikaze boat trying to run them over! There are only like 20 of these things in the entire world - what are the odds of two of them in one river? * also after we left their anchor light went on LOL Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130731/12 e15747/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 16:23:27 +0000 (UTC) From: Chris Price <iceboa...@comcast.net> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List terrorized a buy boat Message-ID: <847917705.892202.1375287807717.javamail.r...@sz0205a.westchester.pa.mail.co mcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Coming back from Screwpile one year we saw 10 or 12 buyboats heading south all in a line. Pretty impressive sight. One of them I recognized as the one from Rock Hall. Chris Price Pradel 35 Mk I ----- Original Message ----- From: "Della Barba, Joe" <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:39:47 AM Subject: Stus-List terrorized a buy boat After work we went up to CRYC to retrieve my boat and I pointed out the buy boat Winnie Estelle I had been aboard for 2 days doing RC work. Right at sunset we dropped the mooring and headed for home with a close pass to say hi to the skipper of the Winnie Estelle. They shined a flashlight at me as we made a beeline for them. Eventually there were two people shining lights. Then three. As we got close I realized this was ANOTHER buy boat and they thought we were a kamikaze boat trying to run them over! There are only like 20 of these things in the entire world - what are the odds of two of them in one river? * also after we left their anchor light went on LOL Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Nate "Sarah Jean" 1980 30-1 Siskiwit Bay Marina Lake Superior On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net>wrote: > Joe, -- I'm trying hard not to display total ignorance, but what's a > "buy boat"? > > Fred Street -- Minneapolis > S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI > > On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:39 AM, "Della Barba, Joe" > <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> > wrote: > > After work we went up to CRYC to retrieve my boat and I pointed out > the buy boat Winnie Estelle I had been aboard for 2 days doing RC > work. Right at sunset we dropped the mooring and headed for home with > a close pass to say hi to the skipper of the Winnie Estelle. They > shined a flashlight at me as we made a beeline for them. Eventually > there were two people shining lights. Then three. As we got close I > realized this was ANOTHER buy boat and they thought we were a kamikaze > boat trying to run them over! There are only like 20 of these things > in the entire world - what are the odds of two of them in one river? > > * also after we left their anchor light went on LOL > > Joe Della Barba > Coquina > C&C 35 MK I > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V�Oceanis�(1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:39 AM, "Della Barba, Joe" <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> wrote: After work we went up to CRYC to retrieve my boat and I pointed out the buy boat Winnie Estelle I had been aboard for 2 days doing RC work. �Right at sunset we dropped the mooring and headed for home with a close pass to say hi to the skipper of the Winnie Estelle. They shined a flashlight at me as we made a beeline for them. �Eventually there were two people shining lights. Then three. As we got close I realized this was ANOTHER buy boat and they thought we were a kamikaze boat trying to run them over! There are only like 20 of these things in the entire world - what are the odds of two of them in one river? * also after we left their anchor light went on LOL Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130731/e2 5ca306/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 12:59:33 -0400 From: "Della Barba, Joe" <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List terrorized a buy boat Message-ID: <1073606396712942aee54d9a960e45a7189c6de...@hq-mb-07.ba.ad.ssa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Skipjacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skipjack_(boat)) did not like to come in to port to buy supplies and sell oysters because it meant a loss of time on the oyster beds and problems with the crew jumping ship*. So a *buy boat* would go out to them and buy their oysters and sell them supplies. * The crews were not always volunteers and were likely to escape if given the chance. Kind of like my boat :) Joe Della Barba From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Nate Flesness Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:31 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List terrorized a buy boat http://bringthewinnieestellehome.com/Winnie_Estelle/Welcome.html I had no idea either, but interesting... Nate "Sarah Jean" 1980 30-1 Siskiwit Bay Marina Lake Superior On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net<mailto:f...@postaudio.net>> wrote: Joe, -- I'm trying hard not to display total ignorance, but what's a "buy boat"? Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:39 AM, "Della Barba, Joe" <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov<mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>> wrote: After work we went up to CRYC to retrieve my boat and I pointed out the buy boat Winnie Estelle I had been aboard for 2 days doing RC work. Right at sunset we dropped the mooring and headed for home with a close pass to say hi to the skipper of the Winnie Estelle. They shined a flashlight at me as we made a beeline for them. Eventually there were two people shining lights. Then three. As we got close I realized this was ANOTHER buy boat and they thought we were a kamikaze boat trying to run them over! There are only like 20 of these things in the entire world - what are the odds of two of them in one river? * also after we left their anchor light went on LOL Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com<mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130731/68 95b0d7/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 13:04:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dennis C." <capt...@yahoo.com> To: Cn Clist <CnC-List@cnc-list.com> Subject: Stus-List Lock combinations Message-ID: <1375301068.82763.yahoomail...@web121904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I work on a lot of boats.? I recommend to my clients that they use a combination lock so boat workers or persons responding to a problem can get into the boat easily. OK, that made it sailing related.? Here's a very interesting article on PIN's and combinations. <http://www.datagenetics.com/blog/september32012/> Note the part about PIN's starting with 19xx.? Half the boats I work on have combos that start with 19xx. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130731/25 c0a5d8/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 16:11:22 -0400 From: "Della Barba, Joe" <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> To: "Dennis C." <capt...@yahoo.com>, "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Lock combinations Message-ID: <1073606396712942aee54d9a960e45a7189c6de...@hq-mb-07.ba.ad.ssa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" When I used to have a list of about 50 combos they were at LEAST 2/3s 19xx. Joe Della Barba From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:04 PM To: Cn Clist Subject: Stus-List Lock combinations I work on a lot of boats. I recommend to my clients that they use a combination lock so boat workers or persons responding to a problem can get into the boat easily. OK, that made it sailing related. Here's a very interesting article on PIN's and combinations. <http://www.datagenetics.com/blog/september32012/> Note the part about PIN's starting with 19xx. Half the boats I work on have combos that start with 19xx. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130731/da c7733c/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 22:30:25 -0300 From: "Dr. Mark Bodnar" <drbod...@accesswave.ca> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Another boat Message-ID: <51f9ba31.8020...@accesswave.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Seriously looking at another boat. Checked out a local C&C 29 mkII on Sunday. http://novascotia.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-watercraft-sailboats-C-C-2 9-MK-II-W0QQAdIdZ474384947 Overall the boat looked good. The paint job on the hull was rough (needs a good sanding and new bottom coat). The boat is on a trailer - which makes it easier to move the 90 min drive home, and the trailer allows for easier yard management (assuming the hoist can get the boat high enough to put it to bed). He reports the sails in "good shape" (but no spinnaker), engine supposedly runs well (not in water to test), hull looks good with no dimples or dings (although there is some minor damage at the stern where someone likely backed into a slip too hard), teak and holly sole is a bit rough (no mold but finish is beat up), dodger and sail cover reported to "have a year or 2 left in them", cushions ok (few years left in fabric) The seller is asking $22500. Maybe offer $17000-18000 firm? (I have had a few emails with a new list member, Bob Dryer, looking to sell a C&C 29 II in Long Island sound for $14500 --- but that's a long way away, hard to look at the boat plus the cost of getting it back and the fact that I'd have to buy a cradle - all together, if I can get a local boat for $4000 the price is pretty even) NADA average value of a 1983 C&C 29 II is $13000 ----------------- Also - Thinking of looking at a Cal 9.2, 1982, listed at $20000 http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-watercraft-sailboats-Cal-9-2- Sailboat-Price-Reduced-W0QQAdIdZ493465591 (NADA value at $13800) Plus another Cal 9.2 listed at $15K (but no pictures). Any thoughts? I'm not familiar with the Cal boats. Reading online the comments are that the Cal is more tender and that the diesel is raw water cooled (which can lead to more issues as they age). Overall online comments are not positive - seems the design may play to the worst parts of the IOR rules. Also some negative comments about decks etc. I don't want a poorly behaved boat that I can't manage in gusty winds or something that will ruin sailing for the kids --- maybe I'm answering my own thoughts on the Cal? Can't say I like the way the pinched rear end looks either! Any thoughts appreciated, Mark -- --------------------- Dr. Mark Bodnar B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C) Bedford Chiropractic www.bedfordchiro.ca --------------------- There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 08:22:17 -0400 From: Stevan Plavsa <stevanpla...@gmail.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Another boat Message-ID: <CADdEvn7_Re4GE=hHfRejS=tpmfa5ftgeoekvphcw9o88ce8...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Are you set on the 29? I'm biased, but I was considering the 29 as well and the 32 offered more boat for (typically) the same money. I'm under the impression that the 29 is a tender boat. Steve Suhana, C&C 32 Toronto -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130801/3b 5a40cf/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 12:32:25 GMT From: "djhaug...@juno.com" <djhaug...@juno.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Another boat Message-ID: <20130801.083225.2781...@webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello Dr. Mark, I looked at a couple of Cal 29s in my search. What put me off them was some articles I found about a steel beam that has a tenancy to corrode away, between the sole and the hull. There is a great deal of fiberglass work to get at it and repair it. I believe its function was as a mast step support. There is (or was) a pretty good website out there where a guy documented the repair really well. I'm wondering though, what is it that makes the local C&C worth 50% more than the NADA value. "a year or 2" left on the canvass? that sounds like end of life to me. The sails are in "good shape?" How old are they? I've heard these terms in my search and it always turned out to be an exaggeration on condition. You need to go in thinking you need new sails and canvass unless you know how old the sails are or you can see for yourself what condition the canvass is in. My boat has, last year, brand new sails, canvass, motor, standing rigging etc. etc. etc... I think I'd be lucky to get $22,500 for it. I only had the boat out 6 times last year and brought the canvass and sails to the sail loft for inspection, repair and storage. I could not believe the things that needed done. There were signs of chafing already and they reinforced those areas. Sails take a beating, assume the worst, there is probably $2500 - $4000 right there. If this guy had his sails serviced every year, he would have said that. It's still a buyer's market out there. Sounds like a pretty steep price tag to me... Danny Lolita 1973 Viking 33 Westport Point, MA ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Dr. Mark Bodnar" <drbod...@accesswave.ca> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Another boat Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 22:30:25 -0300 Seriously looking at another boat. Checked out a local C&C 29 mkII on Sunday. http://novascotia.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-watercraft-sailboats-C-C-2 9-MK-II-W0QQAdIdZ474384947 Overall the boat looked good. The paint job on the hull was rough (needs a good sanding and new bottom coat). The boat is on a trailer - which makes it easier to move the 90 min drive home, and the trailer allows for easier yard management (assuming the hoist can get the boat high enough to put it to bed). He reports the sails in "good shape" (but no spinnaker), engine supposedly runs well (not in water to test), hull looks good with no dimples or dings (although there is some minor damage at the stern where someone likely backed into a slip too hard), teak and holly sole is a bit rough (no mold but finish is beat up), dodger and sail cover reported to "have a year or 2 left in them", cushions ok (few years left in fabric) The seller is asking $22500. Maybe offer $17000-18000 firm? (I have had a few emails with a new list member, Bob Dryer, looking to sell a C&C 29 II in Long Island sound for $14500 --- but that's a long way away, hard to look at the boat plus the cost of getting it back and the fact that I'd have to buy a cradle - all together, if I can get a local boat for $4000 the price is pretty even) NADA average value of a 1983 C&C 29 II is $13000 ----------------- Also - Thinking of looking at a Cal 9.2, 1982, listed at $20000 http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-watercraft-sailboats-Cal-9-2- Sailboat-Price-Reduced-W0QQAdIdZ493465591 (NADA value at $13800) Plus another Cal 9.2 listed at $15K (but no pictures). Any thoughts? I'm not familiar with the Cal boats. Reading online the comments are that the Cal is more tender and that the diesel is raw water cooled (which can lead to more issues as they age). Overall online comments are not positive - seems the design may play to the worst parts of the IOR rules. Also some negative comments about decks etc. I don't want a poorly behaved boat that I can't manage in gusty winds or something that will ruin sailing for the kids --- maybe I'm answering my own thoughts on the Cal? Can't say I like the way the pinched rear end looks either! Any thoughts appreciated, Mark -- --------------------- Dr. Mark Bodnar B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C) Bedford Chiropractic www.bedfordchiro.ca --------------------- There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 08:33:15 -0400 From: Steve Thomas <sthom...@sympatico.ca> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Another boat Message-ID: <blu0-smtp2815d067bf7560face720fbf...@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I can think of one advantage. With a 29 you don't have to pay for a cruising permit to visit the United States. Steve Thomas C&C27 MKIII Port Stanley -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 8:22 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Another boat Are you set on the 29? I'm biased, but I was considering the 29 as well and the 32 offered more boat for (typically) the same money. I'm under the impression that the 29 is a tender boat. Steve Suhana, C&C 32 Toronto -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130801/cc d0671c/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 08:45:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Richard N. Bush" <bushma...@aol.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Another boat Message-ID: <8d05ccc1d3248cc-27e8-14...@webmail-m146.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I agree with earlier comments about the 29 pricing and Danny's insights about the sails and perils of "boat shopping", (there's a whole other topic right there!). But don't discount the 29; its a fast boat and will move in light air; point like nobody else out there and is not too difficult to maintain. If its in good shape overall, plan on buying the new sails and go sailing! Richard 1987 33-II ( and former 29 owner); Ohio River, Mile 584 Richard N. Bush Law Offices 235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor Louisville, Kentucky 40202 502-584-7255 -----Original Message----- From: Stevan Plavsa <stevanpla...@gmail.com> To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:22 am Subject: Re: Stus-List Another boat Are you set on the 29? I'm biased, but I was considering the 29 as well and the 32 offered more boat for (typically) the same money. I'm under the impression that the 29 is a tender boat. Steve Suhana, C&C 32 Toronto _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130801/58 3ec319/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 09:48:54 -0300 From: "Hoyt, Mike" <mike.h...@impgroup.com> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Another boat Message-ID: <4cdebb6b0f16c541ba8f985b72705d5416915...@hfxexc02.impgroup.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It will cost a lot more than 4000 to get the LIS boat to canada. Cradle alone is 1500. You will have to ship the 29 by road and that will be pricey. The local boat is a serious bargain compared to the US one. This is more true if the trailer is road worthy and not junk Mike -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark Bodnar Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:30 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Another boat Seriously looking at another boat. Checked out a local C&C 29 mkII on Sunday. http://novascotia.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-watercraft-sailboats-C -C-29-MK-II-W0QQAdIdZ474384947 Overall the boat looked good. The paint job on the hull was rough (needs a good sanding and new bottom coat). The boat is on a trailer - which makes it easier to move the 90 min drive home, and the trailer allows for easier yard management (assuming the hoist can get the boat high enough to put it to bed). He reports the sails in "good shape" (but no spinnaker), engine supposedly runs well (not in water to test), hull looks good with no dimples or dings (although there is some minor damage at the stern where someone likely backed into a slip too hard), teak and holly sole is a bit rough (no mold but finish is beat up), dodger and sail cover reported to "have a year or 2 left in them", cushions ok (few years left in fabric) The seller is asking $22500. Maybe offer $17000-18000 firm? (I have had a few emails with a new list member, Bob Dryer, looking to sell a C&C 29 II in Long Island sound for $14500 --- but that's a long way away, hard to look at the boat plus the cost of getting it back and the fact that I'd have to buy a cradle - all together, if I can get a local boat for $4000 the price is pretty even) NADA average value of a 1983 C&C 29 II is $13000 ----------------- Also - Thinking of looking at a Cal 9.2, 1982, listed at $20000 http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-watercraft-sailboats-Cal- 9-2-Sailboat-Price-Reduced-W0QQAdIdZ493465591 (NADA value at $13800) Plus another Cal 9.2 listed at $15K (but no pictures). Any thoughts? I'm not familiar with the Cal boats. Reading online the comments are that the Cal is more tender and that the diesel is raw water cooled (which can lead to more issues as they age). Overall online comments are not positive - seems the design may play to the worst parts of the IOR rules. Also some negative comments about decks etc. I don't want a poorly behaved boat that I can't manage in gusty winds or something that will ruin sailing for the kids --- maybe I'm answering my own thoughts on the Cal? Can't say I like the way the pinched rear end looks either! Any thoughts appreciated, Mark -- --------------------- Dr. Mark Bodnar B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C) Bedford Chiropractic www.bedfordchiro.ca --------------------- There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 09:42:56 -0400 From: "A. F. Cano" <a...@shibaya.lonestar.org> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List FOR SALE: Winter cover for a 33-1 Message-ID: <20130801134256.ga19...@shibaya.lonestar.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello everyone: Now that Sandy took my 75 33-1, there's no need to keep the winter cover. It was only used for 4 winters, and then I installed a bimini with solar panels and it's been stored ever since. It's a heavy canvas cover in two parts that zippered together at the mast cover the whole boat. It has a sturdy frame of aluminum tubing: a bow to stern backbone and many ribs. All the parts and installation instructions are included. Made by Quinte Canvas Manufacturing, of Kingston, Ontario. It's in central New Jersey. Best if it's picked up as the 2 canvas bundles are quite heavy and the aluminum tubes (the longest ones), while not heavy, are curved and about 7' long. It cost almost $2k back in december 2000 (I have the original receipt) and I figure $1k + shipping is fair. Any interested out there? -- Augustine Cano a...@shibaya.lonestar.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20130801/04 0696df/attachment.asc> ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ CnC-List mailing list CnC-List@cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ------------------------------ End of CnC-List Digest, Vol 91, Issue 1 *************************************** _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com