Mark....
The comments made by others are right on regarding the price for the 29-2.
I bought a comparable 29-2 in NJ last spring for $13,500 (asking was
$15,000).
I brought it from NJ to Toronto via the Hudson / Erie Canal to avoid
shipping charges.
A new, 6 pad cradle was $1,650 CDN.
The comments about the 29 being a "tender boat" are more related to the 29
mark 1. Mark 1's have to reduce sail early to avoid being overpowered. I
have sailed them and as long as you adjust the sail area by furling the
genoa / reefing the main they are fine. The mark 1 is a much bigger boat
at
29' 10" and it has a nav station.
The 29 mark 2 is a totally different design than the mark 1. It is a small
29 with a LOA of 28' 6" and it does not have a nav station (who needs one
with chartplotters). The boat handles high, gusty winds on Lake Ontario
with
no problems. I have yet to get wet in the cockpit or bury the rail. The
boat
is initially somewhat "tender" but once she heels, she stiffens up
quickly.
Again as long as you reduce sail accordingly as the wind builds the boat
will handle anything that the Lake can throw at it. I race the boat at a
Wednesday night Club level where we do reasonably well. I need a new genoa
(genoa on the boat was ~ 10 years old; Main was about 2 years; like new
cruising chute at time of purchase) to improve performance if racing
All said, I love this boat.
Small enough to single hand or handle with a small crew yet spacious
enough
to do some cruising.
Best regards,
Bob Hickson, P. Eng, RHI, CEA
C&C 29-2 Flying Colours
Frenchman's Bay Yacht Club
Pickering, ON
(416) 919-2297
bobhick...@rogers.com
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2. Re: terrorized a buy boat (Hoyt, Mike)
3. Re: terrorized a buy boat (Chris Price)
4. Re: terrorized a buy boat (Nate Flesness)
5. Re: terrorized a buy boat (djhaug...@juno.com)
6. Re: terrorized a buy boat (Della Barba, Joe)
7. Lock combinations (Dennis C.)
8. Opening port manufacturer (TOM VINCENT)
9. Re: Lock combinations (Della Barba, Joe)
10. Another boat (Dr. Mark Bodnar)
11. Re: Another boat (Stevan Plavsa)
12. Re: Another boat (djhaug...@juno.com)
13. Re: Another boat (Steve Thomas)
14. Re: Another boat (Richard N. Bush)
15. Re: Another boat (Hoyt, Mike)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 11:00:17 -0500
From: Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List terrorized a buy boat
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Joe, -- I'm trying hard not to display total ignorance, but what's a "buy
boat"?
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:39 AM, "Della Barba, Joe" <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>
wrote:
After work we went up to CRYC to retrieve my boat and I pointed out the
buy boat Winnie Estelle I had been aboard for 2 days doing RC work. Right
at sunset we dropped the mooring and headed for home with a close pass to
say hi to the skipper of the Winnie Estelle. They shined a flashlight at
me
as we made a beeline for them. Eventually there were two people shining
lights. Then three. As we got close I realized this was ANOTHER buy boat
and
they thought we were a kamikaze boat trying to run them over! There are
only
like 20 of these things in the entire world - what are the odds of two of
them in one river?
* also after we left their anchor light went on LOL
Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 13:23:16 -0300
From: "Hoyt, Mike" <mike.h...@impgroup.com>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
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Google Bay Boat Winnie Estelle and you will get the whole story. That is
what I did. Very interesting too I might add
Mike
________________________________
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
Frederick
G Street
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 1:00 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List terrorized a buy boat
Joe, -- I'm trying hard not to display total ignorance, but what's a "buy
boat"?
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:39 AM, "Della Barba, Joe"
<joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> wrote:
After work we went up to CRYC to retrieve my boat and I pointed out
the buy boat Winnie Estelle I had been aboard for 2 days doing RC work.
Right at sunset we dropped the mooring and headed for home with a close
pass
to say hi to the skipper of the Winnie Estelle. They shined a flashlight
at
me as we made a beeline for them. Eventually there were two people
shining
lights. Then three. As we got close I realized this was ANOTHER buy boat
and
they thought we were a kamikaze boat trying to run them over! There are
only
like 20 of these things in the entire world - what are the odds of two of
them in one river?
* also after we left their anchor light went on LOL
Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 16:23:27 +0000 (UTC)
From: Chris Price <iceboa...@comcast.net>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List terrorized a buy boat
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Coming back from Screwpile one year we saw 10 or 12 buyboats heading south
all in a line. Pretty impressive sight. One of them I recognized as the
one
from Rock Hall.
Chris Price
Pradel
35 Mk I
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From: "Della Barba, Joe" <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:39:47 AM
Subject: Stus-List terrorized a buy boat
After work we went up to CRYC to retrieve my boat and I pointed out the
buy
boat Winnie Estelle I had been aboard for 2 days doing RC work. Right at
sunset we dropped the mooring and headed for home with a close pass to say
hi to the skipper of the Winnie Estelle. They shined a flashlight at me as
we made a beeline for them. Eventually there were two people shining
lights.
Then three. As we got close I realized this was ANOTHER buy boat and they
thought we were a kamikaze boat trying to run them over! There are only
like
20 of these things in the entire world - what are the odds of two of them
in
one river?
* also after we left their anchor light went on LOL
Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 11:31:17 -0500
From: Nate Flesness <nateflesn...@gmail.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List terrorized a buy boat
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http://bringthewinnieestellehome.com/Winnie_Estelle/Welcome.html
I had no idea either, but interesting...
Nate
"Sarah Jean"
1980 30-1
Siskiwit Bay Marina
Lake Superior
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Frederick G Street
<f...@postaudio.net>wrote:
Joe, -- I'm trying hard not to display total ignorance, but what's a
"buy boat"?
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:39 AM, "Della Barba, Joe"
<joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>
wrote:
After work we went up to CRYC to retrieve my boat and I pointed out
the buy boat Winnie Estelle I had been aboard for 2 days doing RC
work. Right at sunset we dropped the mooring and headed for home with
a close pass to say hi to the skipper of the Winnie Estelle. They
shined a flashlight at me as we made a beeline for them. Eventually
there were two people shining lights. Then three. As we got close I
realized this was ANOTHER buy boat and they thought we were a kamikaze
boat trying to run them over! There are only like 20 of these things
in the entire world - what are the odds of two of them in one river?
* also after we left their anchor light went on LOL
Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 17:30:14 GMT
From: "djhaug...@juno.com" <djhaug...@juno.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List terrorized a buy boat
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What a great story!
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Nate Flesness <nateflesn...@gmail.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List terrorized a buy boat
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 11:31:17 -0500
http://bringthewinnieestellehome.com/Winnie_Estelle/Welcome.html
I had no idea either, but interesting... Nate"Sarah Jean"1980
30-1Siskiwit
Bay MarinaLake Superior
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net>
wrote:
Joe, -- I'm trying hard not to display total ignorance, but what's a "buy
boat"?
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V�Oceanis�(1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Jul
31,
2013, at 9:39 AM, "Della Barba, Joe" <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> wrote:
After work we went up to CRYC to retrieve my boat and I pointed out the
buy
boat Winnie Estelle I had been aboard for 2 days doing RC work.
�Right at sunset we dropped the mooring and headed for home with a
close pass to say hi to the skipper of the Winnie Estelle. They shined a
flashlight at me as we made a beeline for them. �Eventually there
were two people shining lights. Then three. As we got close I realized
this
was ANOTHER buy boat and they thought we were a kamikaze boat trying to
run
them over! There are only like 20 of these things in the entire world -
what
are the odds of two of them in one river?
* also after we left their anchor light went on LOL
Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 12:59:33 -0400
From: "Della Barba, Joe" <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List terrorized a buy boat
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Skipjacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skipjack_(boat)) did not like to
come in to port to buy supplies and sell oysters because it meant a loss
of
time on the oyster beds and problems with the crew jumping ship*. So a
*buy
boat* would go out to them and buy their oysters and sell them supplies.
* The crews were not always volunteers and were likely to escape
if
given the chance. Kind of like my boat :)
Joe Della Barba
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Nate
Flesness
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:31 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List terrorized a buy boat
http://bringthewinnieestellehome.com/Winnie_Estelle/Welcome.html
I had no idea either, but interesting...
Nate
"Sarah Jean"
1980 30-1
Siskiwit Bay Marina
Lake Superior
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Frederick G Street
<f...@postaudio.net<mailto:f...@postaudio.net>> wrote:
Joe, -- I'm trying hard not to display total ignorance, but what's a "buy
boat"?
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:39 AM, "Della Barba, Joe"
<joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov<mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>> wrote:
After work we went up to CRYC to retrieve my boat and I pointed out the
buy
boat Winnie Estelle I had been aboard for 2 days doing RC work. Right at
sunset we dropped the mooring and headed for home with a close pass to say
hi to the skipper of the Winnie Estelle. They shined a flashlight at me as
we made a beeline for them. Eventually there were two people shining
lights. Then three. As we got close I realized this was ANOTHER buy boat
and
they thought we were a kamikaze boat trying to run them over! There are
only
like 20 of these things in the entire world - what are the odds of two of
them in one river?
* also after we left their anchor light went on LOL
Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 13:04:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Dennis C." <capt...@yahoo.com>
To: Cn Clist <CnC-List@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Stus-List Lock combinations
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I work on a lot of boats.? I recommend to my clients that they use a
combination lock so boat workers or persons responding to a problem can
get
into the boat easily.
OK, that made it sailing related.? Here's a very interesting article on
PIN's and combinations.
<http://www.datagenetics.com/blog/september32012/>
Note the part about PIN's starting with 19xx.? Half the boats I work on
have
combos that start with 19xx.
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 16:07:53 -0400
From: TOM VINCENT <tvince...@msn.com>
To: C&C Forum <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Stus-List Opening port manufacturer
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The opening port on my 1979 C&C 36 has a broken hatch at the point that is
hinged to the fixed part of the port. The port is plastic with the
deminsions of 4 7/8" X 15", there are two hinge points that are connected
to
the fixed part of the port and the outside measurement of them is 9 1/4".
Anyone with a thought of repair or replacement, please advise.
I do not believe that it was produced by Atkins Hoyle.
Tom Vincent
Frolic II
Chesapeake City, MD
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 16:11:22 -0400
From: "Della Barba, Joe" <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>
To: "Dennis C." <capt...@yahoo.com>, "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Lock combinations
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When I used to have a list of about 50 combos they were at LEAST 2/3s
19xx.
Joe Della Barba
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
C.
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:04 PM
To: Cn Clist
Subject: Stus-List Lock combinations
I work on a lot of boats. I recommend to my clients that they use a
combination lock so boat workers or persons responding to a problem can
get
into the boat easily.
OK, that made it sailing related. Here's a very interesting article on
PIN's and combinations.
<http://www.datagenetics.com/blog/september32012/>
Note the part about PIN's starting with 19xx. Half the boats I work on
have
combos that start with 19xx.
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 22:30:25 -0300
From: "Dr. Mark Bodnar" <drbod...@accesswave.ca>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Another boat
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Seriously looking at another boat. Checked out a local C&C 29 mkII on
Sunday.
http://novascotia.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-watercraft-sailboats-C-C-2
9-MK-II-W0QQAdIdZ474384947
Overall the boat looked good. The paint job on the hull was rough (needs
a
good sanding and new bottom coat).
The boat is on a trailer - which makes it easier to move the 90 min drive
home, and the trailer allows for easier yard management (assuming the
hoist
can get the boat high enough to put it to bed).
He reports the sails in "good shape" (but no spinnaker), engine supposedly
runs well (not in water to test), hull looks good with no dimples or dings
(although there is some minor damage at the stern where someone likely
backed into a slip too hard), teak and holly sole is a bit rough (no mold
but finish is beat up), dodger and sail cover reported to "have a year or
2
left in them", cushions ok (few years left in fabric)
The seller is asking $22500. Maybe offer $17000-18000 firm?
(I have had a few emails with a new list member, Bob Dryer, looking to
sell
a C&C 29 II in Long Island sound for $14500 --- but that's a long way
away,
hard to look at the boat plus the cost of getting it back and the fact
that
I'd have to buy a cradle - all together, if I can get a local boat for
$4000
the price is pretty even)
NADA average value of a 1983 C&C 29 II is $13000
-----------------
Also - Thinking of looking at a Cal 9.2, 1982, listed at $20000
http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-watercraft-sailboats-Cal-9-2-
Sailboat-Price-Reduced-W0QQAdIdZ493465591
(NADA value at $13800)
Plus another Cal 9.2 listed at $15K (but no pictures).
Any thoughts? I'm not familiar with the Cal boats. Reading online the
comments are that the Cal is more tender and that the diesel is raw water
cooled (which can lead to more issues as they age). Overall online
comments
are not positive - seems the design may play to the worst parts of the IOR
rules. Also some negative comments about decks etc.
I don't want a poorly behaved boat that I can't manage in gusty winds or
something that will ruin sailing for the kids --- maybe I'm answering my
own
thoughts on the Cal? Can't say I like the way the pinched rear end looks
either!
Any thoughts appreciated,
Mark
--
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Dr. Mark Bodnar
B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)
Bedford Chiropractic
www.bedfordchiro.ca
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There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
- George Santayana
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 08:22:17 -0400
From: Stevan Plavsa <stevanpla...@gmail.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Another boat
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Are you set on the 29? I'm biased, but I was considering the 29 as well
and
the 32 offered more boat for (typically) the same money. I'm under the
impression that the 29 is a tender boat.
Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto
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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 12:32:25 GMT
From: "djhaug...@juno.com" <djhaug...@juno.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Another boat
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Hello Dr. Mark,
I looked at a couple of Cal 29s in my search. What put me off them was
some
articles I found about a steel beam that has a tenancy to corrode away,
between the sole and the hull. There is a great deal of fiberglass work
to
get at it and repair it. I believe its function was as a mast step
support.
There is (or was) a pretty good website out there where a guy documented
the
repair really well.
I'm wondering though, what is it that makes the local C&C worth 50% more
than the NADA value. "a year or 2" left on the canvass? that sounds like
end of life to me. The sails are in "good shape?" How old are they?
I've
heard these terms in my search and it always turned out to be an
exaggeration on condition. You need to go in thinking you need new sails
and canvass unless you know how old the sails are or you can see for
yourself what condition the canvass is in.
My boat has, last year, brand new sails, canvass, motor, standing rigging
etc. etc. etc... I think I'd be lucky to get $22,500 for it. I only had
the boat out 6 times last year and brought the canvass and sails to the
sail
loft for inspection, repair and storage. I could not believe the things
that needed done. There were signs of chafing already and they reinforced
those areas.
Sails take a beating, assume the worst, there is probably $2500 - $4000
right there. If this guy had his sails serviced every year, he would have
said that.
It's still a buyer's market out there. Sounds like a pretty steep price
tag
to me...
Danny
Lolita
1973 Viking 33
Westport Point, MA
---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Dr. Mark Bodnar" <drbod...@accesswave.ca>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Another boat
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 22:30:25 -0300
Seriously looking at another boat. Checked out a local C&C 29 mkII on
Sunday.
http://novascotia.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-watercraft-sailboats-C-C-2
9-MK-II-W0QQAdIdZ474384947
Overall the boat looked good. The paint job on the hull was rough (needs
a
good sanding and new bottom coat).
The boat is on a trailer - which makes it easier to move the 90 min drive
home, and the trailer allows for easier yard management (assuming the
hoist
can get the boat high enough to put it to bed).
He reports the sails in "good shape" (but no spinnaker), engine supposedly
runs well (not in water to test), hull looks good with no dimples or dings
(although there is some minor damage at the stern where someone likely
backed into a slip too hard), teak and holly sole is a bit rough (no mold
but finish is beat up), dodger and sail cover reported to "have a year or
2
left in them", cushions ok (few years left in fabric)
The seller is asking $22500. Maybe offer $17000-18000 firm?
(I have had a few emails with a new list member, Bob Dryer, looking to
sell
a C&C 29 II in Long Island sound for $14500 --- but that's a long way
away,
hard to look at the boat plus the cost of getting it back and the fact
that
I'd have to buy a cradle - all together, if I can get a local boat for
$4000
the price is pretty even)
NADA average value of a 1983 C&C 29 II is $13000
-----------------
Also - Thinking of looking at a Cal 9.2, 1982, listed at $20000
http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-watercraft-sailboats-Cal-9-2-
Sailboat-Price-Reduced-W0QQAdIdZ493465591
(NADA value at $13800)
Plus another Cal 9.2 listed at $15K (but no pictures).
Any thoughts? I'm not familiar with the Cal boats. Reading online the
comments are that the Cal is more tender and that the diesel is raw water
cooled (which can lead to more issues as they age). Overall online
comments
are not positive - seems the design may play to the worst parts of the IOR
rules. Also some negative comments about decks etc.
I don't want a poorly behaved boat that I can't manage in gusty winds or
something that will ruin sailing for the kids --- maybe I'm answering my
own
thoughts on the Cal? Can't say I like the way the pinched rear end looks
either!
Any thoughts appreciated,
Mark
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B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)
Bedford Chiropractic
www.bedfordchiro.ca
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 08:33:15 -0400
From: Steve Thomas <sthom...@sympatico.ca>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Another boat
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I can think of one advantage.
With a 29 you don't have to pay for a cruising permit to visit the United
States.
Steve Thomas
C&C27 MKIII
Port Stanley
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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Stevan
Plavsa
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 8:22 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Another boat
Are you set on the 29? I'm biased, but I was considering the 29 as well
and
the 32 offered more boat for (typically) the same money. I'm under the
impression that the 29 is a tender boat.
Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 08:45:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Richard N. Bush" <bushma...@aol.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Another boat
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I agree with earlier comments about the 29 pricing and Danny's insights
about the sails and perils of "boat shopping", (there's a whole other
topic
right there!). But don't discount the 29; its a fast boat and will move in
light air; point like nobody else out there and is not too difficult to
maintain. If its in good shape overall, plan on buying the new sails and
go
sailing!
Richard
1987 33-II ( and former 29 owner); Ohio River, Mile 584
Richard N. Bush Law Offices
235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor
Louisville, Kentucky 40202
502-584-7255
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From: Stevan Plavsa <stevanpla...@gmail.com>
To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Sent: Thu, Aug 1, 2013 8:22 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Another boat
Are you set on the 29? I'm biased, but I was considering the 29 as well
and
the 32 offered more boat for (typically) the same money. I'm under the
impression that the 29 is a tender boat.
Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 09:48:54 -0300
From: "Hoyt, Mike" <mike.h...@impgroup.com>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Another boat
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It will cost a lot more than 4000 to get the LIS boat to canada. Cradle
alone is 1500. You will have to ship the 29 by road and that will be
pricey. The local boat is a serious bargain compared to the US one.
This is more true if the trailer is road worthy and not junk
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr.
Mark Bodnar
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:30 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Another boat
Seriously looking at another boat. Checked out a local C&C 29 mkII on
Sunday.
http://novascotia.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-watercraft-sailboats-C
-C-29-MK-II-W0QQAdIdZ474384947
Overall the boat looked good. The paint job on the hull was rough (needs
a
good sanding and new bottom coat).
The boat is on a trailer - which makes it easier to move the 90 min drive
home, and the trailer allows for easier yard management (assuming the
hoist
can get the boat high enough to put it to bed).
He reports the sails in "good shape" (but no spinnaker), engine supposedly
runs well (not in water to test), hull looks good with no dimples or dings
(although there is some minor damage at the stern where
someone likely backed into a slip too hard), teak and holly sole is a bit
rough (no mold but finish is beat up), dodger and sail cover reported to
"have a year or 2 left in them", cushions ok (few years left
in fabric)
The seller is asking $22500. Maybe offer $17000-18000 firm?
(I have had a few emails with a new list member, Bob Dryer, looking to
sell
a C&C 29 II in Long Island sound for $14500 --- but that's a long way
away,
hard to look at the boat plus the cost of getting it back and the fact
that
I'd have to buy a cradle - all together, if I can get a local boat for
$4000
the price is pretty even)
NADA average value of a 1983 C&C 29 II is $13000
-----------------
Also - Thinking of looking at a Cal 9.2, 1982, listed at $20000
http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-watercraft-sailboats-Cal-
9-2-Sailboat-Price-Reduced-W0QQAdIdZ493465591
(NADA value at $13800)
Plus another Cal 9.2 listed at $15K (but no pictures).
Any thoughts? I'm not familiar with the Cal boats. Reading online the
comments are that the Cal is more tender and that the diesel is raw water
cooled (which can lead to more issues as they age). Overall online
comments are not positive - seems the design may play to the worst parts
of the IOR rules. Also some negative comments about decks etc.
I don't want a poorly behaved boat that I can't manage in gusty winds or
something that will ruin sailing for the kids --- maybe I'm answering my
own thoughts on the Cal? Can't say I like the way the pinched rear end
looks
either!
Any thoughts appreciated,
Mark
--
---------------------
Dr. Mark Bodnar
B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)
Bedford Chiropractic
www.bedfordchiro.ca
---------------------
There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
- George Santayana
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 09:42:56 -0400
From: "A. F. Cano" <a...@shibaya.lonestar.org>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List FOR SALE: Winter cover for a 33-1
Message-ID: <20130801134256.ga19...@shibaya.lonestar.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hello everyone:
Now that Sandy took my 75 33-1, there's no need to keep the winter cover.
It was only used for 4 winters, and then I installed a bimini with solar
panels and it's been stored ever since.
It's a heavy canvas cover in two parts that zippered together at the mast
cover the whole boat. It has a sturdy frame of aluminum tubing: a bow to
stern backbone and many ribs. All the parts and installation instructions
are included. Made by Quinte Canvas Manufacturing, of Kingston, Ontario.
It's in central New Jersey. Best if it's picked up as the 2 canvas
bundles
are quite heavy and the aluminum tubes (the longest ones), while not
heavy,
are curved and about 7' long.
It cost almost $2k back in december 2000 (I have the original receipt) and
I
figure $1k + shipping is fair.
Any interested out there?
--
Augustine Cano a...@shibaya.lonestar.org
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