Thanks Bill The idea of an antal block on the torque rope, which is essentially the forestay, is a good one and would be effective in keeping the tack on centre and not flying off to one side. I’ll look into that once spring arrives.
My problem is that, while in theory the tack swivel is independent of the upper swivel and should not rotate when the sail is being furled (from the top), the reality seems to be that there is some rotation of the tack swivel. As long as the tack of the AS is attached only to the swivel, then this is not a problem, but as soon as you have a separate tack line that attaches to the deck, the tack line also wants to furl and everything gets jammed. My experiments have used a small diameter tack line which easily bends, twists and wraps itself around the furler. The answer may be to go with a larger diameter line with less of a tendency to twist. I think that easing the halyard is one of the ways to trim the AS, but I don’t think it increases the draft. Martin C&C 29-2 Recalculating MCC From: Pete Shelquist [mailto:pete.shelqu...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:25 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List bow sprit Mack Sails has a solution for adjusting the tack height. I don’t recall the details, but it’s basically the concept described by Bill. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of wwadjo...@aol.com <mailto:wwadjo...@aol.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 7:45 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List bow sprit Martin, when I asked about tack height control, The guy at the Selden booth suggested using an Antal ring with a dyneema loop attached to the tack of sail on the torsion line of furler that would slide up and down furler line as the tack was raised and lowered with a separate line through block at deck level attached to tack of sail. Go to defender.com and look under blocks, for antal. The torsion line would go through center of the antal "block". Seemed like a reasonable way to solve control of height of tack. Just an idea. Bill Sent from my HTC ----- Reply message ----- From: "Martin Kane" <martink...@sympatico.ca <mailto:martink...@sympatico.ca> > To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Stus-List bow sprit Date: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 8:18 PM Bill I installed a Selden furler for my asymmetric spinnaker on my C&C 29-2 last summer. On the 29-2 the forestay attachment point is sufficiently aft of the stem , that I am was able to attach the furler to a pad eye on the stem, so I can’t offer any advice on the installation challenges. However if you can work thru the installation issues, I’m sure you’ll enjoy the freedom of furling the genoa and unfurling the AS, and vice versa. Like you, I single hand a lot and this furler has added a lot of zing to those situations with limited wind. The only problem I haven’t worked out yet is how to rig a tack line to adjust the draft. All attempts to date have been unsuccessful, although the ones that resulted in the AS jamming and or had the AA flying with no tack attachment, provided entertainment for onlookers Martin C&C 29-2 Recalcuating MCC From: wwadjo...@aol.com <mailto:wwadjo...@aol.com> [mailto:wwadjo...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 5:35 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: bow sprit Rick, I have a sock, Atn tacker on the asym. I single hand 95% of time and do use Otto to set when alone, still a hassle when single handed and thought wouldn't it be nice to leave the mooring with the assym up on a furler. Trying to add a little zing to the sailing on a daily basis. Too often I just make do with the Genoa. Bill. Sent from my HTC ----- Reply message ----- From: "Rick Brass" <rickbr...@earthlink.net <mailto:rickbr...@earthlink.net%20%3cmailto:rickbr...@earthlink.net> <mailto:rickbr...@earthlink.net> > To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com%20%3cmailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Stus-List Fwd: bow sprit Date: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 4:32 PM Bill; Have you thought about just using a sock? I've had 4 different asyms on 2 boats. The 25 has had Chute Scoop socks, and the 38 has had ATN socks. Both boats have the normal spinnaker crane, and I tack to a block on the stem fitting on the 25 and to a block mounted on the extended anchor roller on the 38, with a Tacker used on the 38 to keep the tack of the a sail close to the headstay. Hoisting, dousing, and gybing are reduced to a 2 man job - unless I get real ambitious and then George (the autopilot) and I do it alone. And I suspect a good quality sock costs a lot less than a furler. Rick Brass From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron Casciato Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 3:27 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: bow sprit Bill: I agree with Pete..... This list did a relatively thorough discussion of furling ASYM's and sprits several months ago, maybe that thread is still available in the archives.... As I recall and having had the same yearnings about adding a furler for my ASYM last year.....the consensus was that significant load is generated from the ASYM and furler that additional support below the sprit needs to be added (Bobstay??)..... Additionally, the furler at the bottom is nice, but the swivel at the top right next to the original headsail furler is just too close to not get jammed....so a crane is also required.... I chickened out and decided to just force my crew to learn how to do a jibe and take down the sail without furling.....and they did it... You can check out Selden who makes an after market one.....(Sprit and furler). But you really want to think about it more with someone who has already done it successfully.... Best, Ron C. Impromptu C&C 38MMKIIC..'77 _____ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Pete Shelquist Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 3:14 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: bow sprit Bill - Heads up: Depending on the head of your asym and dimensions of headsail and asym furlers, a sprit may not be enough. IE you may need to extend the crane at the top of the mast too. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of wwadjo...@aol.com <mailto:wwadjo...@aol.com> <mailto:wwadjo...@aol.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:55 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Stus-List Fwd: bow sprit ----- Forwarded message ----- From: "wwadjo...@aol.com <mailto:wwadjo...@aol.com%20%3cmailto:wwadjo...@aol.com%3e%20> <mailto:wwadjo...@aol.com> " <wwadjo...@aol.com <mailto:wwadjo...@aol.com%20%3cmailto:wwadjo...@aol.com> <mailto:wwadjo...@aol.com> > To: "Wally Bryant" <w...@wbryant.com <mailto:w...@wbryant.com%20%3cmailto:w...@wbryant.com> <mailto:w...@wbryant.com> > Subject: Stus-List bow sprit Date: Sun, Jan 26, 2014 11:02 AM Just returning from Chicago Strictly Sail show with itch to add furler for my assym sail. Looks like will need to add a sprit To get clearance from the roller furled headsail. Anyone made this modification? I see Practical Sailor doing piece on A sail furlers. Bill WALKER EVENING STAR CnC 36 Pentwater, Mi Sent from my HTC
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