I never want to reef with the wind coming in over the stern...In fact I
think that would be a very hard way to do it

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Martin
DeYoung
Sent: February 6, 2014 7:58 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Re- heaving to

> ... I have seldom ever wanted to reef with the wind aft ...

On a delivery of a 56' modern fast cruiser (carbon mast/boom etc.) from
Seattle to San Francisco we had 20 hours of fast downwind sailing with winds
in the 35 to 45 range with seas to match.  All four aboard were experience
racers and offshore sailors (the owner had seen 250K offshore miles).  There
was heated competition for high speed of the day while avoiding making a
pile of carbon splinters. (I had held one day's speed record at 24 knots on
an extended surf in the middle of a 45 knot gust.)

The sail plan for those conditions was 1 or 2 reefs and a poled out #3,
sometimes partially rolled up.  IIRC the boat had an Antal system on the
mast with full battens.  We were able to add or shake reefs downwind at will
to keep the boat moving fast but within the abilities of boat and crew to
handle the conditions.

With larger, powerful sail plans the lower friction mainsail luff systems
(Calypso has the Harken Batt cars) I consider the ability to quickly reduce
sail area upwind or down is a safety and seamanship issue.  I am able to
singlehandedly put the first reef in Calypso's mainsail in less than 3
minutes under most conditions.  

I did heave to reef once while sailing singlehanded in what started as a
nice 20 TWS that quickly became 30 with gusts to 35.  I rolled up some of
the #3, tacked without releasing the sheet.  Once the boat settle in a
little I was able to put in the reef (all lines at the mast) with
significantly less motion on deck. I do recall thinking to myself that
setting out on Calypso, singlehanded in these conditions could be my last
mistake and have been more conservative since.  It was not the actual
sailing, it was the ability to recover from a mistake or equipment failure
so close to land that was a concern.

Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of OldSteveH
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 10:08 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Re- heaving to

Steve, I have seldom ever wanted to reef with the wind aft, usually am
shaking out the reef. But needing to get it back in again before changing
course to windward, and then yes I would try to head up enough to get the
main shaking and put in the reef. If it's that windy I'm not likely to be
flying a chute, so the whole process is not complicated.

Andy I get that now - nice system.

I did run into a situation two years ago where my wife and I were racing
(shorthanded). We had a strong quartering sea, flying our #3 and full main
on a beam to broad reach. "Auto" does not do well at the helm in those
conditions and we needed to get a reef in before the leeward mark. Other
boats with full mains were rounding up, we were doing ok, but definitely
needed that reef really soon. Because I couldn't leave the helm (my wife was
a learning sailor at the time) we couldn't reef and ended up retiring from
the race. In hindsight could we have hove to and put in the reef? Maybe but
again it was a race, that would have lost a lot of time. Like other posters,
I will be experimenting with heaving-to this summer to see how it works.

Having learned to sail first by racing, I don't naturally consider heaving
to or heading off my course to put in a reef, but they certainly all work,
and some with less stress than others! Just don't tell my wife there's an
easier way . . . ;-)

When cruising I guess I suffer the curse of a racer - always trying to get
the boat trimmed the best it can be and to steer the shortest course between
A and B.

Cheers,

Steve Hood
S/V Diamond Girl
C&C 34
Lions Head ON

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