A-ha!!!! That’s the piece of the puzzle I wasn’t getting. OK… time to rewire.
Rich Knowles?? I don’t think so, From now on you’ll be Rich Knowmore to me. Hot damn, I love this list. Thanks to Stu, too. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log On May 5, 2014, at 4:00 PM, Rich Knowles <r...@sailpower.ca> wrote: > No. On most factory supplied engines, the alternator output is tied to the > large + battery connector on the starter or solenoid. Disconnect the wire in > the back of the alternator and run a new cable from the alternator output > terminal to the house bank positive terminal. The cable should be sized for > the expected current and distance. Usually a #4 or #6 should be adequate. > > Rich > > On May 5, 2014, at 16:50, Edd Schillay <e...@schillay.com> wrote: > >> I think my alternator is set up to charge whatever batteries I have on my >> selector switch… Any way to do this without running new wires from my >> alternator? >> >> >> All the best, >> >> Edd >> >> >> Edd M. Schillay >> Starship Enterprise >> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B >> City Island, NY >> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log >> >> On May 5, 2014, at 3:44 PM, Rich Knowles <r...@sailpower.ca> wrote: >> >>> Almost:) connect the alternator directly to your house battery and make >>> that battery 1. >>> >>> Rich >>> >>> On May 5, 2014, at 16:28, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Rich, >>>> >>>> I think I get it now. If I have my starter battery as #2, I start the >>>> engine with #2 only (not ALL). This echo-charger could take the Alternator >>>> charge going into #2 and also charge #1. >>>> >>>> Do I have that right? >>>> >>>> If so, I gots me some wiring to do…. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> All the best, >>>> >>>> Edd >>>> >>>> >>>> Edd M. Schillay >>>> Starship Enterprise >>>> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B >>>> City Island, NY >>>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log >>>> >>>> On May 5, 2014, at 2:52 PM, Rich Knowles <r...@sailpower.ca> wrote: >>>> >>>>> In short, an Echo Charge is a simple regulator that derives it's input >>>>> voltage from a battery connected to a charging source. It's output is >>>>> connected to a secondary battery such as an engine start or windlass >>>>> battery. If the input voltage rises above 3.4 volts, as I recall, the >>>>> >>>>> Rich >>>>> >>>>> On May 5, 2014, at 14:10, Edd Schillay via CnC-List >>>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Marek, >>>>>> >>>>>> Very interesting. What exactly is an echo charger and how would I >>>>>> connect it? >>>>>> >>>>>> The previous owner had two house bank 31s and a starter battery hooked >>>>>> up parallel to one of them. That starter battery turned out to be dead >>>>>> and was dragging the other down. >>>>>> >>>>>> I replaced all with two new 31s about 4 years ago. Now one of those two >>>>>> is dead and I don’t feel like dumping $300 on a replacement when I’m not >>>>>> running on batteries for more than a few hours on any given day. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> All the best, >>>>>> >>>>>> Edd >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Edd M. Schillay >>>>>> Starship Enterprise >>>>>> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B >>>>>> City Island, NY >>>>>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 5, 2014, at 1:01 PM, Marek Dziedzic <dziedzi...@hotmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Edd, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don’t want to start a discussion on how to charge the batteries (as >>>>>>> this would be off topic), but starting from the ALL position has some >>>>>>> major disadvantages. One is that you might be hiding a problem with >>>>>>> your starting battery; two is that if one battery is weak, you would be >>>>>>> charging that weak battery from the strong one (you risk that if one is >>>>>>> nearly dead, the other would not start the engine, either, but instead >>>>>>> would discharge to equalise the voltage with the weak one). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No question (in my mind), the best way is to start from the starting >>>>>>> battery (hence the name) and have the echo charger making sure that >>>>>>> both batteries are charged properly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Some advocate to have the batteries split into “main” and “spare”. Many >>>>>>> good marine batteries can be used as dual purpose. If you design your >>>>>>> system this way, you start on the “main”, it gets charged by the >>>>>>> alternator and the echo charger maintains the “spare”. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If I remember correctly, you have a solar system, as well. Many charge >>>>>>> controllers have a dual battery option and they can be setup to charge >>>>>>> the “main” battery first and then charge the “spare” (mine has a >>>>>>> selectable 50/50 or 90/10 split). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you are interested, you can check some of Main Sail’s articles on >>>>>>> that topic at Sailboat Owners or at his web site >>>>>>> (http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Marek (in Ottawa) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> PS. Would “may the Force (May the 4th) be with you” apply, even if it >>>>>>> is a day late? I know it is mixing the references... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 10:58 AM >>>>>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mixed batteries >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rich, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please do send around a diagram. I’m planning to do something similar — >>>>>>> a 27 starting battery (as battery #2) and a 31 house bank (as >>>>>>> battery#1). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When I want to start and run the engine, I will do so on ALL. That way >>>>>>> the alternator will charge both batteries. When sailing and “hanging >>>>>>> out”, I would switch to 1 only. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have a solar panel and a dual battery regulator, which would connect >>>>>>> to both. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Two weeks to launch and still much to do….. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All the best, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Edd >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Edd M. Schillay >>>>>>> Starship Enterprise >>>>>>> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B >>>>>>> City Island, NY >>>>>>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 5, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Rich Knowles via CnC-List >>>>>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The best method I have found and the least problematic from all points >>>>>>>> of view is to have a dedicated starting battery that does nothing else >>>>>>>> but start the engine, and a house battery that can be several >>>>>>>> batteries in parallel. Ideally the house batteries will all be >>>>>>>> identical. I feed the alternator directly to the house battery and use >>>>>>>> a device such as a Xantrex EchoCharge, a small regulator, to keep the >>>>>>>> start battery charged. A simple 1/both/2 off switch feeds the house >>>>>>>> load from either battery and acts as a combiner switch if needed. I >>>>>>>> have a diagram I can send you if you wish. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have wired many boats this way with no complaints or incidents. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rich Knowles >>>>>>>> Indigo. LF38 >>>>>>>> Halifax. NS >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 5, 2014, at 10:47, via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In a pinch, I recently bought a 'starting' battery (Group 27) per my >>>>>>>>> earlier post (no marine stores open after 6 on Saturdays) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Then I decided to get a replacement for my dead Lifeline AGM battery. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Of course, Murphy lurking about, I realized that my Zantrex >>>>>>>>> Truecharge 40 wants all the batteries it charges to be the same since >>>>>>>>> its charging schemes apply to all three outputs to the batteries. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Before I pull the 'rope-a-dope' of returning the starting battery, I >>>>>>>>> need some list advice: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A lot of sailors suggest using a 'starting' battery exclusively for >>>>>>>>> starting and using the house batteries for the house. I am aware that >>>>>>>>> an AGM can be used for starting as well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> However, if a 'starting' battery is better for this job (CCA, etc.) >>>>>>>>> and the AGM is better for its job, how does one use a single charger >>>>>>>>> like mine >>>>>>>>> to satisfy different charging schemes? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2 chargers, a smarter charger that has outputs for different battery >>>>>>>>> characteristics, or 'forgetaboutit" and charge both batteries as >>>>>>>>> though >>>>>>>>> the were both AGMs? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Charlie Nelson >>>>>>>>> Water Phantom >>>>>>>>> C&C 36 XL/kcb >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> cenel...@aol.com >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>>>>>>>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>>>>>>>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>>>>>>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>>>>>>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>>>>>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>>>>>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>>>>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>>>>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>
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