I know this topic has been covered in the past, so bear with me.

My boat was exported to the US possibly as early as the date of manufacture, 
then received a Documentation number (evidenced by a carved sign in the 
forepeak starting with the letters DOC.... and mentioning a tonnage.  No MASTER 
BUILDER's certificate....

Then around 1988, sustained such substantial damage in the starboard stern 
quarter that the HIN was removed as part of the repair.

Then in 1990, it was exported to Canada where it was licenced and we are we 
believe the 3rd owner in Canada since 2001.

Now, I want to register this vessel and want to know from the US listers, how 
can I confirm with the US authorities that it was de-registered in the US?  I 
would need an archive copy, so the Canadian authorities are assured it isn't 
registered in a foreign country.

I recall looking up a web site which was rather opaque, so any help would be 
appreciated.

Cheers!

Alex

Alex Giannelia
a...@airsensing.com
+1 (416) 203-9858 Office
+1 (416) 529-0070 Mobile
www.airsensing.com


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Today's Topics:

   1. Re:  LF 38 Mast Wedge Dimensions (S?bastien Lemieux)
   2.  Chutes and Furling Headsails (OldSteveH)
   3. Re:  Chutes and Furling Headsails (Dennis C.)
   4. Re:  Chutes and Furling Headsails (Martin DeYoung)
   5. Re:  Chutes and Furling Headsails (Josh Muckley)
   6. Re:  Chutes and Furling Headsails (Josh Muckley)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 16:05:05 -0400
From: S?bastien Lemieux <seb.lemieu...@gmail.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List LF 38 Mast Wedge Dimensions
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Hi Mike,

  I'm trying to catch up with the list, so sorry for the late reply!

  I was in a similar situation to yours 4 years ago (wedges falling down below) 
and also went for Spartite.  I really like the solution and wouldn't go back to 
wood wedges.  After four years, the spartite is still sound and strong.

Seb

--
S?bastien Lemieux
Merlot X, C&C 30-2 1988
Lake Champlain

On Jun 2, 2014, at 23:28 , Wally Bryant via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

> It varies on each point around the mast and from boat to boat.  Heck, on my 
> boat the hole through the deck is about 3/8" off center.  The first time, I 
> made rough chocks and then spent a day on the dock with a belt sander forming 
> the chocks to fit.  The second time, I did a generic spar-tite thing.
> <http://www.wbryant.com/StellaBoat/Projects/newrig/spartite/index.htm>
>
>
> Mike wrote:
>> Hi all,  I'm launching this Friday (finally) and need to cut some new mast 
>> wedges for my LF 38.  What is the approximate gap between the mast and the 
>> collar?   Thanks
>>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 17:06:28 -0400
From: OldSteveH <oldste...@sympatico.ca>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Stus-List Chutes and Furling Headsails
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I "grew up" sailing on racing boats.
None had furlers, ie with jibsheets on furled sails, fouling the pole downhaul 
and also the pole itself.
After 4 years with DG I still have to sort out the arrangement every time we 
fly the chute.
And God help us if we have to gybe.

Can someone explain: Imagine the headsail furled with sheets going back to 
starboard and port amidships.
Should I be routing the pole downhaul (which is on a pillowblock center
foredeck) a. between the jib sheets, b. to one side of them or the other?
Are there any odd requirements for a gybe, ie a re-route?

I thought of taking a bungee cord and tying the jibsheets up near the tack of 
the jib. That would make it like the old days.

This has got to be simpler than I'm making it right now. Thanks for any tips.


Steve Hood
S/V Diamond Girl
C&C 34
Lions Head ON






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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 16:35:12 -0500
From: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com>
To: OldSteveH <oldste...@sympatico.ca>, CnClist
        <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Chutes and Furling Headsails
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Not quite sure what you're asking but here's what happens on the foredeck 
assuming a port rounding and a starboard pole chute set.  I hope I get it right 
from memory.  :)

Pre- chute hoist - pole is on deck.  Jibsheets are on TOP of pole forward of 
topping lift if attached.  Pole topping lift is either not attached to pole 
bridle and pinned at mast or is attached but with a LOT of slack so it 
essentially hangs straight down the mast to the deck (near the collar).
Pole downhaul is attached with appropriate slack.  I usually, pull the downhaul 
up over my head before attaching to lower bridle.

Hoist - pole is set, guy is pre-fed, pole end is pulled back.  Chute is 
hoisted, clews are spread, chute fills.  Headsail is furled.

OK, at this point the starboard jibsheet should be over the pole and forward of 
the topping lift.  The downhaul is under the pole.

Now you gybe.  End for end gybes will drop the jibsheets to the deck UNDER the 
pole but forward of the downhaul.  You will need to re-run one of the jibsheets 
OVER the pole and forward of the topping lift on the last gybe before the mark 
to ensure it is clear to tack.  Make sure when the pole is dropped that the 
jibsheet stays on top of the pole.  After the drop, it is the foredeck's 
responsibility to check the jibsheets and advise the afterguard that they are 
"clear to tack".

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA


On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 4:06 PM, OldSteveH via CnC-List < 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I "grew up" sailing on racing boats.
> None had furlers, ie with jibsheets on furled sails, fouling the pole
> downhaul and also the pole itself.
> After 4 years with DG I still have to sort out the arrangement every
> time we fly the chute.
> And God help us if we have to gybe.
>
> Can someone explain: Imagine the headsail furled with sheets going
> back to starboard and port amidships.
> Should I be routing the pole downhaul (which is on a pillowblock
> center
> foredeck) a. between the jib sheets, b. to one side of them or the other?
> Are there any odd requirements for a gybe, ie a re-route?
>
> I thought of taking a bungee cord and tying the jibsheets up near the
> tack of the jib. That would make it like the old days.
>
> This has got to be simpler than I'm making it right now. Thanks for
> any tips.
>
>
> Steve Hood
> S/V Diamond Girl
> C&C 34
> Lions Head ON
>
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 22:08:58 +0000
From: Martin DeYoung <mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com>
To: Dennis C. <capt...@gmail.com>, "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"
        <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Chutes and Furling Headsails
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I agree with Dennis?s comments.

On Calypso I have a snap shackle on the foreguy to make it easy to clear.  The 
topping lift is on a bridle line with a strong bungee to pull it back towards 
the mast.

After the spinnaker hoist I clear the jib sheets forward with enough slack to 
lay close to the deck as forward as possible, each sheet running down its own 
side of the deck.  As Dennis described one of the jib sheets may need to be 
pulled forward, cleared off the spin pole and re-run aft.  I do this sooner 
than later to be ready for the first gybe.

When gybing back and forth I leave the jib sheets forward and out of the way.  
Calypso uses a spinnaker sock so I also tie the sock downhaul lines forward to 
be clear regardless of which gybe we are on for the take down.

For a mark rounding I plan on having to clear the spin sheets, halyard, and 
topping lift (released to allow the bungee to draw the bridle line aft) before 
the headsail can be rolled out.  I allow the lazy jib sheet to ride up the spin 
pole as the sail is rolled out making sure it is not trapped under the pole or 
by the foreguy.

If I am on my game, we carry the spinnaker quite close to the mark to keep boat 
speed up (2 to 4 boat lengths depending on traffic).  On the foredeck I am 
ready to lower the spin sock as soon as the sheets is eased.  When the spin 
sheet is eased and the sail collapses I quickly drop the sock, call for full 
ease of the afterguy, and lower the sail/sock to the deck.  As I am dousing the 
spinnaker the cockpit crew is setting the main up for going to weather and 
rounding the mark. With the sail on deck I clear the halyard so it does not 
foul the rolling furler then clear the spin sheets and verify the active jib 
sheet is clear.  As the cockpit crew pulls out the headsail I assist the active 
jib sheet by pulling aft which allows me to insure it is clear and ready to be 
used.  Once the boat is going to weather I finish cleaning up the foredeck and 
verify the lazy jib sheet is clear for a tack.

Calypso?s co-owner and I race double-handed on occasion and do all of the above 
in TWS up to 15.  Over 15 we typically will not set the spinnaker to avoid 
getting in over our heads.  If the wind builds with the spinnaker up we will 
often be able to gybe in up to 20 TWS but over that the forces generated by the 
43?s sail plan become difficult to handle shorthanded.  The sock provides the 
safety bailout plan in case of something un-expected.

Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 2:35 PM
To: OldSteveH; CnClist
Subject: Re: Stus-List Chutes and Furling Headsails

Not quite sure what you're asking but here's what happens on the foredeck 
assuming a port rounding and a starboard pole chute set.  I hope I get it right 
from memory.  :)
Pre- chute hoist - pole is on deck.  Jibsheets are on TOP of pole forward of 
topping lift if attached.  Pole topping lift is either not attached to pole 
bridle and pinned at mast or is attached but with a LOT of slack so it 
essentially hangs straight down the mast to the deck (near the collar).  Pole 
downhaul is attached with appropriate slack.  I usually, pull the downhaul up 
over my head before attaching to lower bridle.
Hoist - pole is set, guy is pre-fed, pole end is pulled back.  Chute is 
hoisted, clews are spread, chute fills.  Headsail is furled.
OK, at this point the starboard jibsheet should be over the pole and forward of 
the topping lift.  The downhaul is under the pole.
Now you gybe.  End for end gybes will drop the jibsheets to the deck UNDER the 
pole but forward of the downhaul.  You will need to re-run one of the jibsheets 
OVER the pole and forward of the topping lift on the last gybe before the mark 
to ensure it is clear to tack.  Make sure when the pole is dropped that the 
jibsheet stays on top of the pole.  After the drop, it is the foredeck's 
responsibility to check the jibsheets and advise the afterguard that they are 
"clear to tack".
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 4:06 PM, OldSteveH via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I "grew up" sailing on racing boats.
None had furlers, ie with jibsheets on furled sails, fouling the pole downhaul 
and also the pole itself.
After 4 years with DG I still have to sort out the arrangement every time we 
fly the chute.
And God help us if we have to gybe.

Can someone explain: Imagine the headsail furled with sheets going back to 
starboard and port amidships.
Should I be routing the pole downhaul (which is on a pillowblock center
foredeck) a. between the jib sheets, b. to one side of them or the other?
Are there any odd requirements for a gybe, ie a re-route?

I thought of taking a bungee cord and tying the jibsheets up near the tack of 
the jib. That would make it like the old days.

This has got to be simpler than I'm making it right now. Thanks for any tips.


Steve Hood
S/V Diamond Girl
C&C 34
Lions Head ON




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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 18:24:14 -0400
From: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com>
To: "C&C List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>, "Dennis C."
        <capt...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Chutes and Furling Headsails
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The only thing I can think to add is that a good foredeck can pick both spin 
sheet and jib sheet (the future lazy sheet, in this case port) and pull it in 
to the mast.  Unclip the pole from the mast ring and pass it under the jib 
sheet and clip it to the spin sheet.  With your back to the mast pass the pole 
in front of you hand over hand while opening the jaw.
Work with the crewmember who is working the new guy (old port spin sheet) to 
push the new front of the poll (port end) forward and up while pulling 
starboard end aft and down.  This should allow the starboard spinsheet to come 
out of the jaw and the starboard jib sheet to fall off the end of the poll.  
Help them manually if needed.  The pole usually needs to be let forward to 
about a 45? angle.  All of this should be done while the helm is keeping the 
wind directly astern.  In the end you will once again have a jib sheet (port) 
now over the poll.

So yeah everything (topping lift, down haul and pole) in between the jib 
sheets.  Spinsheets run outside of everything.  When the pole goes up DON'T 
allow the jib sheet to duck under forward end of the pole.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Jun 13, 2014 5:35 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:

> Not quite sure what you're asking but here's what happens on the
> foredeck assuming a port rounding and a starboard pole chute set.  I
> hope I get it right from memory.  :)
>
> Pre- chute hoist - pole is on deck.  Jibsheets are on TOP of pole
> forward of topping lift if attached.  Pole topping lift is either not
> attached to pole bridle and pinned at mast or is attached but with a
> LOT of slack so it essentially hangs straight down the mast to the deck (near 
> the collar).
> Pole downhaul is attached with appropriate slack.  I usually, pull the
> downhaul up over my head before attaching to lower bridle.
>
> Hoist - pole is set, guy is pre-fed, pole end is pulled back.  Chute
> is hoisted, clews are spread, chute fills.  Headsail is furled.
>
> OK, at this point the starboard jibsheet should be over the pole and
> forward of the topping lift.  The downhaul is under the pole.
>
> Now you gybe.  End for end gybes will drop the jibsheets to the deck
> UNDER the pole but forward of the downhaul.  You will need to re-run
> one of the jibsheets OVER the pole and forward of the topping lift on
> the last gybe before the mark to ensure it is clear to tack.  Make
> sure when the pole is dropped that the jibsheet stays on top of the
> pole.  After the drop, it is the foredeck's responsibility to check
> the jibsheets and advise the afterguard that they are "clear to tack".
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 4:06 PM, OldSteveH via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I "grew up" sailing on racing boats.
>> None had furlers, ie with jibsheets on furled sails, fouling the pole
>> downhaul and also the pole itself.
>> After 4 years with DG I still have to sort out the arrangement every
>> time we fly the chute.
>> And God help us if we have to gybe.
>>
>> Can someone explain: Imagine the headsail furled with sheets going
>> back to starboard and port amidships.
>> Should I be routing the pole downhaul (which is on a pillowblock
>> center
>> foredeck) a. between the jib sheets, b. to one side of them or the other?
>> Are there any odd requirements for a gybe, ie a re-route?
>>
>> I thought of taking a bungee cord and tying the jibsheets up near the
>> tack of the jib. That would make it like the old days.
>>
>> This has got to be simpler than I'm making it right now. Thanks for
>> any tips.
>>
>>
>> Steve Hood
>> S/V Diamond Girl
>> C&C 34
>> Lions Head ON
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 19:02:52 -0400
From: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com>
To: Martin DeYoung <mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com>,   "C&C List"
        <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Chutes and Furling Headsails
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Sorry Martin, I posted mine before yours can through.

So you never have the headsail and spinnaker hoisted at the same time?  Is 
there some detail I'm missing as to why?  I guess getting a sock up and down 
outside of the headsail might be challenging.  I envision it being more forward 
than outside.

Josh
On Jun 13, 2014 6:09 PM, "Martin DeYoung via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

>  I agree with Dennis's comments.
>
>
>
> On Calypso I have a snap shackle on the foreguy to make it easy to clear.
>  The topping lift is on a bridle line with a strong bungee to pull it
> back towards the mast.
>
>
>
> After the spinnaker hoist I clear the jib sheets forward with enough
> slack to lay close to the deck as forward as possible, each sheet
> running down its own side of the deck.  As Dennis described one of the
> jib sheets may need to be pulled forward, cleared off the spin pole
> and re-run aft.  I do this sooner than later to be ready for the first gybe.
>
>
>
> When gybing back and forth I leave the jib sheets forward and out of
> the way.  Calypso uses a spinnaker sock so I also tie the sock
> downhaul lines forward to be clear regardless of which gybe we are on for the 
> take down.
>
>
>
> For a mark rounding I plan on having to clear the spin sheets,
> halyard, and topping lift (released to allow the bungee to draw the
> bridle line aft) before the headsail can be rolled out.  I allow the
> lazy jib sheet to ride up the spin pole as the sail is rolled out
> making sure it is not trapped under the pole or by the foreguy.
>
>
>
> If I am on my game, we carry the spinnaker quite close to the mark to
> keep boat speed up (2 to 4 boat lengths depending on traffic).  On the
> foredeck I am ready to lower the spin sock as soon as the sheets is
> eased.  When the spin sheet is eased and the sail collapses I quickly
> drop the sock, call for full ease of the afterguy, and lower the
> sail/sock to the deck.  As I am dousing the spinnaker the cockpit crew
> is setting the main up for going to weather and rounding the mark.
> With the sail on deck I clear the halyard so it does not foul the
> rolling furler then clear the spin sheets and verify the active jib
> sheet is clear.  As the cockpit crew pulls out the headsail I assist
> the active jib sheet by pulling aft which allows me to insure it is
> clear and ready to be used.  Once the boat is going to weather I
> finish cleaning up the foredeck and verify the lazy jib sheet is clear for a 
> tack.
>
>
>
> Calypso's co-owner and I race double-handed on occasion and do all of
> the above in TWS up to 15.  Over 15 we typically will not set the
> spinnaker to avoid getting in over our heads.  If the wind builds with
> the spinnaker up we will often be able to gybe in up to 20 TWS but
> over that the forces generated by the 43's sail plan become difficult to 
> handle shorthanded.
> The sock provides the safety bailout plan in case of something un-expected.
>
>
>
> Martin
>
> Calypso
>
> 1971 C&C 43
>
> Seattle
>
>
> [image: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F]
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Dennis C. via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, June 13, 2014 2:35 PM
> *To:* OldSteveH; CnClist
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Chutes and Furling Headsails
>
>
>
> Not quite sure what you're asking but here's what happens on the
> foredeck assuming a port rounding and a starboard pole chute set.  I
> hope I get it right from memory.  :)
>
> Pre- chute hoist - pole is on deck.  Jibsheets are on TOP of pole
> forward of topping lift if attached.  Pole topping lift is either not
> attached to pole bridle and pinned at mast or is attached but with a
> LOT of slack so it essentially hangs straight down the mast to the deck (near 
> the collar).
> Pole downhaul is attached with appropriate slack.  I usually, pull the
> downhaul up over my head before attaching to lower bridle.
>
> Hoist - pole is set, guy is pre-fed, pole end is pulled back.  Chute
> is hoisted, clews are spread, chute fills.  Headsail is furled.
>
> OK, at this point the starboard jibsheet should be over the pole and
> forward of the topping lift.  The downhaul is under the pole.
>
> Now you gybe.  End for end gybes will drop the jibsheets to the deck
> UNDER the pole but forward of the downhaul.  You will need to re-run
> one of the jibsheets OVER the pole and forward of the topping lift on
> the last gybe before the mark to ensure it is clear to tack.  Make
> sure when the pole is dropped that the jibsheet stays on top of the
> pole.  After the drop, it is the foredeck's responsibility to check
> the jibsheets and advise the afterguard that they are "clear to tack".
>
> Dennis C.
>
> Touche' 35-1 #83
>
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 4:06 PM, OldSteveH via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I "grew up" sailing on racing boats.
> None had furlers, ie with jibsheets on furled sails, fouling the pole
> downhaul and also the pole itself.
> After 4 years with DG I still have to sort out the arrangement every
> time we fly the chute.
> And God help us if we have to gybe.
>
> Can someone explain: Imagine the headsail furled with sheets going
> back to starboard and port amidships.
> Should I be routing the pole downhaul (which is on a pillowblock
> center
> foredeck) a. between the jib sheets, b. to one side of them or the other?
> Are there any odd requirements for a gybe, ie a re-route?
>
> I thought of taking a bungee cord and tying the jibsheets up near the
> tack of the jib. That would make it like the old days.
>
> This has got to be simpler than I'm making it right now. Thanks for
> any tips.
>
>
> Steve Hood
> S/V Diamond Girl
> C&C 34
> Lions Head ON
>
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