I too went thru Navtec for a leak without success, took mine to local tractor dealer, fixed the first time 5 years ago, still no leaks or problems. Contact me off list if anyone wants address phone number. Navtec charged me $ 300 plus and did not fix, my local guy $ 75 and still going strong
Barry Miller, Miller Time, C&C 34 Sent from my iPad > On Oct 8, 2014, at 6:42 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: > > Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to > cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Backstay aduster (Tim Goodyear) > 2. Re: Bermuda Bound Bubble Runner (Bill Coleman) > 3. Re: Backstay aduster (John Pennie) > 4. Re: Backstay aduster (Martin DeYoung) > 5. Re: Backstay aduster (Tim Goodyear) > 6. Re: Backstay aduster (Pete Shelquist) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 17:32:16 -0400 > From: Tim Goodyear <timg...@gmail.com> > To: Bruno Lachance <bruno_lacha...@hotmail.com>, > "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Backstay aduster > Message-ID: > <cac9qatthvbusto5ognrsj1ss3chnm98mszbyxxlx9tzpyjh...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Bruno, > > Have you considered a cascade system? I was racing on a friends boat > earlier this year and he was going to pull out because his backstay was > still at Navtec being re-built... We rigged up a cascade system using > existing parts / line I had on Mojito; varying sizes of Amsteel, high load > guy blocks and a vang I'd put together while my vang was being rebuilt by > Navtec (there's a theme here somewhere). It worked out at 24:1 (2:1 x 2:1 > x 6:1), which would get you 2400 lbs tension with a 100lb pull. Below is a > link to a 24:1 version and a Beneteau 36.7 I sailed on had a 48:1 like the > Harken. With only a single attachment point there is a risk of tangles > versus the multiple chain plates, but Amsteel is slippery stuff, so as long > as you get the block reeving right it should be OK. > > http://www.ericsonyachts.org/infoexchange/showthread.php?11645-Hydraulic-to-Cascading-Backstay-Upgrade > http://www.harken.com/DeckLayout.aspx?id=14795 > > Tim > Mojito > C&C 35-3 > Branford, CT > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Bruno Lachance via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> The 33 is not split backstay, maybe some late models have them but not >> mine. >> >> I can not beleive there is not a better reliable system on the market. >> anybody with direct experience of the Wichard mechanical wiht ratchet ? i >> don't even know if the handle pumps up and down or rotates with some >> sort of relief system hence the ratchet ??? same question about power, but >> the numbers indicate it would be more than appropriate for my boat. >> >> I'm worried to dump more money into hydrolic and be a the same point in a >> year or two. Worse case scenario i lost the rig, i had to jury something >> this summer offshore in 25 knots plus when the thing blew on my transom. >> not fun at all. i bought a spare turnbucle after that one and went on with >> my vacations. >> >> thanks for inputs >> >> Bruno Lachance >> C&C 33 mkII >> Becassine >> >> ------------------------------ >> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 16:45:20 -0400 >> To: kevindrisc...@gmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Backstay aduster >> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> >> >> My 2 cents: >> I don't think the 33 is a split backstay. The cost to split it and >> install new chain plates would probably exceed the cost of a hydraulic >> unit. >> With a masthead rig I would want more power than you can get with a manual >> adjuster. >> >> >> Joel >> 35/3 >> Annapolis >> >> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> I second the split back with tackle/cam cleat apparatus suggestion. I race >> a bit with it and Find it straight forward and quick adjusting. Pretty >> direct feedback on rig tension. >> >> KD >> >> >> On October 8, 2014, at 1:13PM, John Pennie via CnC-List wrote: >> >> For a 33 you may want to consider one of the fittings that ride on a >> split backstay from Johnson. Not nearly as eloquent but effective and >> probably the best value. >> >> John >> >> On Oct 8, 2014, at 4:06 PM, Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> If you race your boat you will find the mechanical back stay adjuster to >> be a complete PITA. >> >> I have a stainless steel Barient back stay adjuster (5/8" pins and uses a >> winch handle to adjust) that came with my boat back in 1975 to be used in >> case the original Meriman hydraulic adjusters failed. It did indeed fail >> and we rigged the Barient and it took all that one could do to crank in >> enough tension just to straighten the mast >> >> Jack Fitzgerald >> HONEY >> C&C 39 TM >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Bruno Lachance via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I sent my navtec backstay for a rebuild at Southshore and it seems the >> over 25 years thing is dammaged (scratch on pump cylinder, not fixable, it >> still leaks). I'm looking at options and the two on the list are: replace >> it by the exact same thing (Navtec) or screw hydrolic and go with the >> mechanical option. Would be a Wichard product, the one with a ratchet or >> handle with no ratchet, not the wheel. >> >> any opinions on that decision would be appreciated regarding reliability >> and performance (i like to play with that toy!) would a mechanical be too >> slow to adjust? >> >> Thanks >> >> Bruno Lachance >> C&C 33 mkII >> Becassine >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Joel >> 301 541 8551 >> >> _______________________________________________ This List is provided by >> the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your >> list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141008/6b1183fc/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2014 17:31:45 -0400 > From: "Bill Coleman" <colt...@verizon.net> > To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Bermuda Bound Bubble Runner > Message-ID: <032001cfe33f$4304b320$c90e1960$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > That guy is not right. > > When they rescued him, he said he was going to try again. > > The Coast Guard should have the right to say they are not going to assist > someone like that, that is just crazy. > > I think they changed their slogan from ?you have to go out, but you don?t > have to come back? and removed the don?t have to come back part. > > > > Regards, > > > > Bill > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek > Dziedzic via CnC-List > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 3:24 PM > To: davidrisch75; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Bermuda Bound Bubble Runner > > > > not even close. He wasn?t even injured. > > > > btw. I have heard that CG ?persuaded? him to abandon his endeavour after he > asked them for directions... > > > > From: davidrisch75 <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> via CnC-List > > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 2:53 PM > > To: Ronald B. Frerker <mailto:rbfrer...@yahoo.com> ; Jake > <mailto:captain_j...@cox.net> Brodersen ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > Subject: Re: Stus-List Bermuda Bound Bubble Runner > > > > I have a feeling he will have another wack at it. > > > > Just a hunch... > > > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: "Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List" > > Date:10/08/2014 2:37 PM (GMT-05:00) > > To: Jake Brodersen , cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > Subject: Re: Stus-List Bermuda Bound Bubble Runner > > > > He just missed getting a darwin award. > Maybe an honorable mention since he tried. > Ron > Wild Cheri > STL > > -------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 10/7/14, Jake Brodersen via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Subject: Re: Stus-List Bermuda Bound Bubble Runner > To: "'Wally Bryant'" <w...@wbryant.com>, cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2014, 5:05 AM > > Wally, > > It was a guy in a giant hamster wheel trying to run to > Bermuda. He couldn't > get through the Gulf Stream. He wasn't as tough as he > thought he was. > > http://abcnews.go.com/US/coast-guard-rescues-man-inflatable-bubble/story?id= > 25974177 > > Jake > > Jake Brodersen > "Midnight Mistress" > C&C 35 Mk-III > Hampton VA > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] > On Behalf Of Wally > Bryant via CnC-List > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 12:36 AM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Bermuda Bound Bubble Runner > > I think my spam filters killed the original message. > What's the link? > It sounds funny. > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- > go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- > go bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > _____ > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141008/47117e40/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 17:46:21 -0400 > From: John Pennie <j...@svpaws.net> > To: Tim Goodyear <timg...@gmail.com>, cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Backstay aduster > Message-ID: <69776be1-c622-4ad2-9a35-2532c3c4b...@svpaws.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > I?ve heard so many bad stories about hydraulic backstay adjusters that I > don?t doubt them. Having said that I never had a problem with one on three > boats over 15 years. Certainly not the type of failure you?re referring to. > > Without a split backstay your options are limited. Personally I consider > the mechanical adjusters to be worthless. Just too slow and not enough > power? and a nuisance as others mentioned. You could go very old school and > try very beefy blocks led to a dedicated winch but that has its own set of > problems and cost. Short of that, its hydraulic - either self contained > units or components which are even more expensive. I can?t say I?ve heard > much difference from brand N to S. > > After 25 years you may want to cut the Navtec unit a little slack. A new > unit is probably your best option. Of course, you could say the hell with it > a just put a turnbuckle in. Depends how you use the boat. > > John > > > >> On Oct 8, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> Bruno, >> >> Have you considered a cascade system? I was racing on a friends boat >> earlier this year and he was going to pull out because his backstay was >> still at Navtec being re-built... We rigged up a cascade system using >> existing parts / line I had on Mojito; varying sizes of Amsteel, high load >> guy blocks and a vang I'd put together while my vang was being rebuilt by >> Navtec (there's a theme here somewhere). It worked out at 24:1 (2:1 x 2:1 x >> 6:1), which would get you 2400 lbs tension with a 100lb pull. Below is a >> link to a 24:1 version and a Beneteau 36.7 I sailed on had a 48:1 like the >> Harken. With only a single attachment point there is a risk of tangles >> versus the multiple chain plates, but Amsteel is slippery stuff, so as long >> as you get the block reeving right it should be OK. >> >> http://www.ericsonyachts.org/infoexchange/showthread.php?11645-Hydraulic-to-Cascading-Backstay-Upgrade >> http://www.harken.com/DeckLayout.aspx?id=14795 >> >> Tim >> Mojito >> C&C 35-3 >> Branford, CT >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Bruno Lachance via CnC-List >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> The 33 is not split backstay, maybe some late models have them but not mine. >> >> I can not beleive there is not a better reliable system on the market. >> anybody with direct experience of the Wichard mechanical wiht ratchet ? i >> don't even know if the handle pumps up and down or rotates with some sort of >> relief system hence the ratchet ??? same question about power, but the >> numbers indicate it would be more than appropriate for my boat. >> >> I'm worried to dump more money into hydrolic and be a the same point in a >> year or two. Worse case scenario i lost the rig, i had to jury something >> this summer offshore in 25 knots plus when the thing blew on my transom. not >> fun at all. i bought a spare turnbucle after that one and went on with my >> vacations. >> >> thanks for inputs >> >> Bruno Lachance >> C&C 33 mkII >> Becassine >> >> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 16:45:20 -0400 >> To: kevindrisc...@gmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Backstay aduster >> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> >> >> My 2 cents: >> I don't think the 33 is a split backstay. The cost to split it and install >> new chain plates would probably exceed the cost of a hydraulic unit. >> With a masthead rig I would want more power than you can get with a manual >> adjuster. >> >> >> Joel >> 35/3 >> Annapolis >> >> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> I second the split back with tackle/cam cleat apparatus suggestion. I race a >> bit with it and Find it straight forward and quick adjusting. Pretty direct >> feedback on rig tension. >> >> KD >> >> >> >> On October 8, 2014, at 1:13PM, John Pennie via CnC-List wrote: >> >> For a 33 you may want to consider one of the fittings that ride on a split >> backstay from Johnson. Not nearly as eloquent but effective and probably >> the best value. >> >> John >> >> On Oct 8, 2014, at 4:06 PM, Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> If you race your boat you will find the mechanical back stay adjuster to be >> a complete PITA. >> >> I have a stainless steel Barient back stay adjuster (5/8" pins and uses a >> winch handle to adjust) that came with my boat back in 1975 to be used in >> case the original Meriman hydraulic adjusters failed. It did indeed fail and >> we rigged the Barient and it took all that one could do to crank in enough >> tension just to straighten the mast >> >> Jack Fitzgerald >> HONEY >> C&C 39 TM >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Bruno Lachance via CnC-List >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I sent my navtec backstay for a rebuild at Southshore and it seems the over >> 25 years thing is dammaged (scratch on pump cylinder, not fixable, it still >> leaks). I'm looking at options and the two on the list are: replace it by >> the exact same thing (Navtec) or screw hydrolic and go with the mechanical >> option. Would be a Wichard product, the one with a ratchet or handle with no >> ratchet, not the wheel. >> >> any opinions on that decision would be appreciated regarding reliability and >> performance (i like to play with that toy!) would a mechanical be too slow >> to adjust? >> >> Thanks >> >> Bruno Lachance >> C&C 33 mkII >> Becassine >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Joel >> 301 541 8551 >> >> _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the >> C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list >> preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141008/52fc66b4/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 21:50:33 +0000 > From: Martin DeYoung <mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com> > To: Bill Coleman <colt...@verizon.net>, "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Backstay aduster > Message-ID: <23eae197cc1b594fa8793397ebcd357d897...@dmi3.dmi.local> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I also recommend Sailtec. Calypso has had Sailtec backstay and baby stay > hydraulic cylinders for over 20 years. I recently had new seals put in the > backstay by the local (Seattle area) guy recommended by Sailtec. It cost > $400 and should keep the backstay adjuster in business for the next 10 years. > > Martin > Calypso > 1971 C&C 43 > Seattle > > [Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F] > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill > Coleman via CnC-List > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 2:28 PM > To: 'Bruno Lachance'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Backstay aduster > > My 39 had a Sailtec installed by the PO. > No problems from when he bought it in early 90's till now. I like it. > http://www.sailtec.com/products/hydraulic-integral-adjusters.html > > I think the Harken is nice too, supposedly it pumps both ways. > Not that there is anything wrong with that. > > Regards, > > Bill > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bruno > Lachance via CnC-List > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 5:15 PM > To: Joel Aronson; Kevin Driscoll; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Backstay aduster > > The 33 is not split backstay, maybe some late models have them but not mine. > > I can not beleive there is not a better reliable system on the market. > anybody with direct experience of the Wichard mechanical wiht ratchet ? i > don't even know if the handle pumps up and down or rotates with some sort of > relief system hence the ratchet ??? same question about power, but the > numbers indicate it would be more than appropriate for my boat. > > I'm worried to dump more money into hydrolic and be a the same point in a > year or two. Worse case scenario i lost the rig, i had to jury something this > summer offshore in 25 knots plus when the thing blew on my transom. not fun > at all. i bought a spare turnbucle after that one and went on with my > vacations. > > thanks for inputs > > Bruno Lachance > C&C 33 mkII > Becassine > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141008/8185e04a/attachment-0001.html> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image001.png > Type: image/png > Size: 5230 bytes > Desc: image001.png > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141008/8185e04a/attachment-0001.png> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 18:26:40 -0400 > From: Tim Goodyear <timg...@gmail.com> > To: John Pennie <j...@svpaws.net> > Cc: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Backstay aduster > Message-ID: <0165c967-ccea-46b4-8647-960cdc522...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I'm happy with my hydraulic setup. I think I got pretty good service out of > the Navtec units, and the failures were slight leaks, not catastrophes. I do > think the cascading tackle is viable with high tech line and blocks / rings > led to a manual cam cleat (not winch). This is very much a new school setup > (or maybe it's just come around again). > > Tim > >> On Oct 8, 2014, at 5:46 PM, John Pennie <j...@svpaws.net> wrote: >> >> I?ve heard so many bad stories about hydraulic backstay adjusters that I >> don?t doubt them. Having said that I never had a problem with one on three >> boats over 15 years. Certainly not the type of failure you?re referring to. >> >> >> Without a split backstay your options are limited. Personally I consider >> the mechanical adjusters to be worthless. Just too slow and not enough >> power? and a nuisance as others mentioned. You could go very old school and >> try very beefy blocks led to a dedicated winch but that has its own set of >> problems and cost. Short of that, its hydraulic - either self contained >> units or components which are even more expensive. I can?t say I?ve heard >> much difference from brand N to S. >> >> After 25 years you may want to cut the Navtec unit a little slack. A new >> unit is probably your best option. Of course, you could say the hell with >> it a just put a turnbuckle in. Depends how you use the boat. >> >> John >> >> >> >>> On Oct 8, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List >>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>> Bruno, >>> >>> Have you considered a cascade system? I was racing on a friends boat >>> earlier this year and he was going to pull out because his backstay was >>> still at Navtec being re-built... We rigged up a cascade system using >>> existing parts / line I had on Mojito; varying sizes of Amsteel, high load >>> guy blocks and a vang I'd put together while my vang was being rebuilt by >>> Navtec (there's a theme here somewhere). It worked out at 24:1 (2:1 x 2:1 >>> x 6:1), which would get you 2400 lbs tension with a 100lb pull. Below is a >>> link to a 24:1 version and a Beneteau 36.7 I sailed on had a 48:1 like the >>> Harken. With only a single attachment point there is a risk of tangles >>> versus the multiple chain plates, but Amsteel is slippery stuff, so as long >>> as you get the block reeving right it should be OK. >>> >>> http://www.ericsonyachts.org/infoexchange/showthread.php?11645-Hydraulic-to-Cascading-Backstay-Upgrade >>> http://www.harken.com/DeckLayout.aspx?id=14795 >>> >>> Tim >>> Mojito >>> C&C 35-3 >>> Branford, CT >>> >>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Bruno Lachance via CnC-List >>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>> The 33 is not split backstay, maybe some late models have them but not >>>> mine. >>>> >>>> I can not beleive there is not a better reliable system on the market. >>>> anybody with direct experience of the Wichard mechanical wiht ratchet ? i >>>> don't even know if the handle pumps up and down or rotates with some sort >>>> of relief system hence the ratchet ??? same question about power, but the >>>> numbers indicate it would be more than appropriate for my boat. >>>> >>>> I'm worried to dump more money into hydrolic and be a the same point in a >>>> year or two. Worse case scenario i lost the rig, i had to jury something >>>> this summer offshore in 25 knots plus when the thing blew on my transom. >>>> not fun at all. i bought a spare turnbucle after that one and went on with >>>> my vacations. >>>> >>>> thanks for inputs >>>> >>>> Bruno Lachance >>>> C&C 33 mkII >>>> Becassine >>>> >>>> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 16:45:20 -0400 >>>> To: kevindrisc...@gmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Backstay aduster >>>> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>>> >>>> >>>> My 2 cents: >>>> I don't think the 33 is a split backstay. The cost to split it and >>>> install new chain plates would probably exceed the cost of a hydraulic >>>> unit. >>>> With a masthead rig I would want more power than you can get with a manual >>>> adjuster. >>>> >>>> >>>> Joel >>>> 35/3 >>>> Annapolis >>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List >>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>> I second the split back with tackle/cam cleat apparatus suggestion. I race >>>> a bit with it and Find it straight forward and quick adjusting. Pretty >>>> direct feedback on rig tension. >>>> >>>> KD >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On October 8, 2014, at 1:13PM, John Pennie via CnC-List wrote: >>>> >>>> For a 33 you may want to consider one of the fittings that ride on a split >>>> backstay from Johnson. Not nearly as eloquent but effective and probably >>>> the best value. >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> On Oct 8, 2014, at 4:06 PM, Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List >>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> If you race your boat you will find the mechanical back stay adjuster to >>>> be a complete PITA. >>>> >>>> I have a stainless steel Barient back stay adjuster (5/8" pins and uses a >>>> winch handle to adjust) that came with my boat back in 1975 to be used in >>>> case the original Meriman hydraulic adjusters failed. It did indeed fail >>>> and we rigged the Barient and it took all that one could do to crank in >>>> enough tension just to straighten the mast >>>> >>>> Jack Fitzgerald >>>> HONEY >>>> C&C 39 TM >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Bruno Lachance via CnC-List >>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I sent my navtec backstay for a rebuild at Southshore and it seems the >>>> over 25 years thing is dammaged (scratch on pump cylinder, not fixable, it >>>> still leaks). I'm looking at options and the two on the list are: replace >>>> it by the exact same thing (Navtec) or screw hydrolic and go with the >>>> mechanical option. Would be a Wichard product, the one with a ratchet or >>>> handle with no ratchet, not the wheel. >>>> >>>> any opinions on that decision would be appreciated regarding reliability >>>> and performance (i like to play with that toy!) would a mechanical be too >>>> slow to adjust? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Bruno Lachance >>>> C&C 33 mkII >>>> Becassine >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>>> >>>> Email address: >>>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >>>> page at: >>>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>>> >>>> Email address: >>>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >>>> page at: >>>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>>> >>>> Email address: >>>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >>>> page at: >>>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Joel >>>> 301 541 8551 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ This List is provided by >>>> the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your >>>> list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: >>>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>>> >>>> Email address: >>>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >>>> page at: >>>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> >>> Email address: >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >>> page at: >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141008/03bb1ef1/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 17:42:33 -0500 > From: "Pete Shelquist" <pete.shelqu...@comcast.net> > To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>, "'Bruno Lachance'" > <bruno_lacha...@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Backstay aduster > Message-ID: <002701cfe349$26ee1a50$74ca4ef0$@shelqu...@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Ditto on the sailtec. Good Wisconsin company. > > > > 7 yrs and no issues for me. Of course I take it off every fall and store > inside for the winter. > > > > Good idea of Harken pumping both ways.if you're into that. > > > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill > Coleman via CnC-List > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 4:28 PM > To: 'Bruno Lachance'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Backstay aduster > > > > My 39 had a Sailtec installed by the PO. > > No problems from when he bought it in early 90's till now. I like it. > > http://www.sailtec.com/products/hydraulic-integral-adjusters.html > > > > I think the Harken is nice too, supposedly it pumps both ways. > > Not that there is anything wrong with that. > > > > Regards, > > > > Bill > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bruno > Lachance via CnC-List > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 5:15 PM > To: Joel Aronson; Kevin Driscoll; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Backstay aduster > > > > The 33 is not split backstay, maybe some late models have them but not mine. > > > I can not beleive there is not a better reliable system on the market. > anybody with direct experience of the Wichard mechanical wiht ratchet ? i > don't even know if the handle pumps up and down or rotates with some sort of > relief system hence the ratchet ??? same question about power, but the > numbers indicate it would be more than appropriate for my boat. > > I'm worried to dump more money into hydrolic and be a the same point in a > year or two. Worse case scenario i lost the rig, i had to jury something > this summer offshore in 25 knots plus when the thing blew on my transom. not > fun at all. i bought a spare turnbucle after that one and went on with my > vacations. > > thanks for inputs > > Bruno Lachance > C&C 33 mkII > Becassine > > > _____ > > Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 16:45:20 -0400 > To: kevindrisc...@gmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Backstay aduster > From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > My 2 cents: > > I don't think the 33 is a split backstay. The cost to split it and install > new chain plates would probably exceed the cost of a hydraulic unit. > > With a masthead rig I would want more power than you can get with a manual > adjuster. > > > > > > Joel > > 35/3 > > Annapolis > > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > I second the split back with tackle/cam cleat apparatus suggestion. I race a > bit with it and Find it straight forward and quick adjusting. Pretty direct > feedback on rig tension. > > KD > > > > On October 8, 2014, at 1:13PM, John Pennie via CnC-List wrote: > > For a 33 you may want to consider one of the fittings that ride on a split > backstay from Johnson. Not nearly as eloquent but effective and probably > the best value. > > > > John > > > > On Oct 8, 2014, at 4:06 PM, Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > > If you race your boat you will find the mechanical back stay adjuster to be > a complete PITA. > > > > I have a stainless steel Barient back stay adjuster (5/8" pins and uses a > winch handle to adjust) that came with my boat back in 1975 to be used in > case the original Meriman hydraulic adjusters failed. It did indeed fail and > we rigged the Barient and it took all that one could do to crank in enough > tension just to straighten the mast > > > > Jack Fitzgerald > > HONEY > C&C 39 TM > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Bruno Lachance via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I sent my navtec backstay for a rebuild at Southshore and it seems the over > 25 years thing is dammaged (scratch on pump cylinder, not fixable, it still > leaks). I'm looking at options and the two on the list are: replace it by > the exact same thing (Navtec) or screw hydrolic and go with the mechanical > option. Would be a Wichard product, the one with a ratchet or handle with no > ratchet, not the wheel. > > any opinions on that decision would be appreciated regarding reliability and > performance (i like to play with that toy!) would a mechanical be too slow > to adjust? > > Thanks > > Bruno Lachance > C&C 33 mkII > Becassine > > > > > > > _____ > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > > > > > -- > Joel > 301 541 8551 > > > _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the > C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list > preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141008/90f26d76/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > CnC-List mailing list > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ------------------------------ > > End of CnC-List Digest, Vol 105, Issue 20 > ***************************************** _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
