Dan:

Congratulations on your new boat and welcome to the C&C list. Just about anything you need advice on, you can get it here.

In my opinion, Bill Bina has provided you with one of the best methods to deal with the 'C&C smile'. It is pretty much the way we dealt with ours when we acquired our boat in 2006. Nine (9) sailing seasons later, and there is no evidence of the 'smile'.

Previously, we did the same thing when we acquired a Kirby 25 before the C&C 32 and the 'smile' never reappeared.

Good luck with your boat.  By the way, where do you sail from?

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.


On 2014/10/24 8:04 AM, Dan Mccorison via CnC-List wrote:
Thanks bill

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On Oct 24, 2014, at 5:46 AM, Bill Bina via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

I fixed mine about 10 years ago and it has remained completely fixed, despite a 
few incidents of groundings. I cleaned out the joint mostly by using a wire 
wheel chucked in a drill. That dug a channel all the way along the length of 
the joint on both sides and around the leading edge.

Then re-torqued the keel bolts to spec using a long handled 3/4 inch drive 
torque wrench and a variety of extensions, adapters, and sockets that I 
collected from a number of sources. I got the now dis-continued torque wrench 
from Harbor Freight for around $100. The rest of the sockets and stuff was a 
few hundred dollars. Heavy Equipment and truck mechanics use this big stuff, so 
ask some of them where they buy tools besides Snap-On, which is scary 
expensive. I know I got some of the deep sockets from NAPA autoparts. They sell 
them individually, which is good, because those big deep sizes aren't cheap! My 
boat has 3 different sized bolts.

Following re-torque adventure, I used a brass brush dipped in un-thickened epoxy to clean and 
seal the exposed metal and fiberglass. Next step was to fill the channel using Epoxy thickened 
to the consistency of peanut butter. Then I used a sander with 80 grit paper to clean an area 
all the way around extending about 10" above and 12" below the joint, which I then 
"primed with the brass brush/un-thickened epoxy. Followed that with several layers of 
fiberglass cloth soaked in slightly thickened epoxy and wraped like a bandage extending about 
10 inches above and below the joint. Re-faired the keel and applied many coats of interprotect 
2000 to seal the surface. Reapplied the first coat of micron extra before the final coat of 
interprotect cured. Previously I had tried sealing the joint with various fillers including 
5200, 4200, Marinetex, Thickened epoxy with fibers. I got to try many fillers because none of 
them lasted from launch to haul out of a single season.

Bill Bina

On 10/24/2014 6:05 AM, DANIEL MCCORISON via CnC-List wrote:
I just bought a 1975 C&C 25mk. It's my first sailboat I have owned. Just wondering 
what is the best product to use to fix the C&C smile. Also what is the procedure to 
go about fixing it?

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