I guess in some markets this is doable. Personally, I could not find one,
where I needed him (her). But the surveyors were available. In fact, I
interviewed three of them before selecting one.
Marek
s/v Legato
Ottawa
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From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:26 AM
To: Danny Haughey ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List survey now brokers
I am not sure if everybody realizes but a common practice is to find
your own buyers broker to represent your interest. I did that when we
purchased Persistence because I knew and trusted him and he is right
next door. My broker contacted the listing broker and between them took
care of many details that it would be difficult for me to do since the
boat was nearly 1000km from here by road. Financially the listing
broker and buyers broker split the commission down the middle.
I really liked this arrangement because it really helped my own
interests and in a situation such as Jon mentioned would probably have
helped him as well.
This arrangement was great for me
Mike
Persistence
1987 Frers 33
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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny
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Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 11:16 AM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List survey
Dwight said;
<the brokers don't share that feeling because he often finds too many
problems,>
There is a good point! Ask the broker which surveyors to stay away from
and use that as your short list!! LOL
Danny
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To: "'Hoyt, Mike'" <mike.h...@impgroup.com>, <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List survey
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 09:57:37 -0300
Not sure I agree with you there Mike, I think it depends on the
surveyor...around here if TBoats (Iain Tulloch) is your surveyor I think
he does the same detailed inspection every time...I have had him survey
Alianna twice, 5 years apart for insurance purposes and each time I was
there and saw him go over the boat with a fine tooth comb...he checks
everything, including rig, deck, hull and rudder moisture content, hull
valves, electrical wiring, fuel lines, etc. and he includes lots of
photos in the report...my insuance company, Royal Sun Alliance, likes
his work but I believe the brokers don't share that feeling because he
often finds too many problems, some of which might discourage a buyer
Dwight Veinot
C&C 35MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt,
Mike via CnC-List
Sent: October 28, 2014 9:25 AM
To: Jon Tasker; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List survey
Jon
Was the survey done for you? Did you pay for it?
There are two types of surveys. There is a pre-purchase survey
commissioned and paid for by the potential buyer and there is an
insurance survey commissioned and paid for by the existing owner for
insurance purposes. The buyers survey is usually more detailed and is
there to point out the potential issues as well as strengths of the
boat. An insurance survey does not always record everything to the same
level of detail and is designed to put a valuation on the boat for
insurance purposes. I have had both done. I like my insurance company
to have a very high opinion of my boat. However when buying I like to
know potential expenses I will incur in order to determine a fair price
So back to the original question. Who paid for the survey?
Mike
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Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 10:55 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 105, Issue 76
I also bought my boat in Racine and got a multi-page report from the
recommended surveyor. The survey was dishonest from start to finish, had
the seller's interest in mind and future survey business. Had it been
honest, I could have gotten another $10,000 off the sell price. The
moral of the story is do your own survey.
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1. Overpriced? (Robert Abbott)
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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 12:40:26 -0300
From: Robert Abbott <robertabb...@eastlink.ca>
To: Brent Driedger <bren...@highspeedcrow.ca>,
"cnc-list@cnc-list.com"
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There is a buyer for everything, at the right price.
When we were looking for a boat in 2005-06, there were three (3) C&C
32's for sale here in Halifax, N.S.......looked at them all. Looked
at a C&C 30 MKI and Mirage 32 here as well.
Ended up buying our boat from Racine Riverside Marina, Racine,
Wisconsin.....one owner, professionally maintained, adequately
equipped, fresh water boat. The purchase price, exchange rate and
transportation cost to truck it here cost us approx. $8,000 less than
what we would have paid for any of the local boats. We also got a new
10' Zodiac thrown in. And I have sold 3 sails that came with the boat
that I will never use.
I never traveled to Racine to view the boat.....paid a surveyor about
$350 USD for a 23 page report....that was the selling point, the
survey.
I would do that no matter where I was buying a boat.
I understand many buyers would never do what we did, buy a boat unseen
so far away. Would I do it again, absolutely.
I wish this 32 seller well.....if he gets close to his asking price,
it bodes well for all us C&C owners.
Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.
On 2014/10/26 10:54 PM, Brent Driedger wrote:
I'll chime in on this as Bowline Yachts was the broker for my boat
backwhen I bought it and I know the owner well. At first glance the
prices they ask seem high and become the frequent talk at the club but
with respect to the company's owner I'll provide a little insight to
explain thoughnot necessarily justify the prices.
In central Canada here there is not much option for buying used
sailboats. The market is not saturated by any means and the stock of
quality used boats available is thin. This usually means pay what the
owner wants oroutsource to the south and pay for exchange, shipping,
border brokerage, flights to and from the location, permits and lots
of survey charges. When you total it all up the prices end up being
fairly close to what Bowline typically charges. Then add to that
there is the comfort level of knowing the history of the local boats,
their owners and background. Furtherto that, our season is short so
all of these boats are out of water for 7 months of the year. The
boats are in fresh water the remaining 5 and onLake of the Woods
there's little swell to speak of even in storms. The biggest hazard
is grounding and unfortunately most sailboats there have touched
bottom. The remainder will some day. The rigs although 30 plus years
old show no corrosion or acid rain pitting. Gener
ally outside of wet decks or blisters, a 35 year old boat is in 20
year old condition if it was decently maintained.
I agree that $65000 for an 84 32 is very high but the price will
appealto those who want a quick painless purchase with background
confidence of a quality fresh water boat. It may include a slip too
which at my harbour is impossible to get now. I would expect a fair bit
of negotiation will bring it closer to reality as well.
Cheers
Brent Driedger
C&C 27v
Lake Winnipeg
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On Oct 25, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
While I think this appears to be a nicely equipped and well
maintainedboat, I think the owner is overly optimistic with his asking
price. We bought our boat in 2006 for half that price and it was a well
maintained,fresh water, one owner boat.
Sure would like to hear any and all comments on this!
http://www.bowlineyachts.ca/sailboats/1984candclegacy.html
Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.
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