I was very hesitant to pay someone to help me purchase a boat but I ended up using a broker, Bill Shaw in Barrington, RI when I purchased Saltaire.
Bill did a great job. He suggested that I reduce my offer to what was even further lower than market value and saved me several thousand dollars. He also connected me to people who did some necessary work on the boat for what turned out to be extremely competitive prices. Actually, Bill and I have become good friends and often sail/race together. Given my experience I'd certainly suggest entertaining the idea of using a broker to represent you. Dave J Saltaire C&C 35Mk3 -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:34 AM To: Hoyt, Mike; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List survey now brokers I guess in some markets this is doable. Personally, I could not find one, where I needed him (her). But the surveyors were available. In fact, I interviewed three of them before selecting one. Marek s/v Legato Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:26 AM To: Danny Haughey ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List survey now brokers I am not sure if everybody realizes but a common practice is to find your own buyers broker to represent your interest. I did that when we purchased Persistence because I knew and trusted him and he is right next door. My broker contacted the listing broker and between them took care of many details that it would be difficult for me to do since the boat was nearly 1000km from here by road. Financially the listing broker and buyers broker split the commission down the middle. I really liked this arrangement because it really helped my own interests and in a situation such as Jon mentioned would probably have helped him as well. This arrangement was great for me Mike Persistence 1987 Frers 33 -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny Haughey via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 11:16 AM To: dwight...@gmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List survey Dwight said; <the brokers don't share that feeling because he often finds too many problems,> There is a good point! Ask the broker which surveyors to stay away from and use that as your short list!! LOL Danny ---------- Original Message ---------- From: dwight via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: "'Hoyt, Mike'" <mike.h...@impgroup.com>, <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List survey Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 09:57:37 -0300 Not sure I agree with you there Mike, I think it depends on the surveyor...around here if TBoats (Iain Tulloch) is your surveyor I think he does the same detailed inspection every time...I have had him survey Alianna twice, 5 years apart for insurance purposes and each time I was there and saw him go over the boat with a fine tooth comb...he checks everything, including rig, deck, hull and rudder moisture content, hull valves, electrical wiring, fuel lines, etc. and he includes lots of photos in the report...my insuance company, Royal Sun Alliance, likes his work but I believe the brokers don't share that feeling because he often finds too many problems, some of which might discourage a buyer Dwight Veinot C&C 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: October 28, 2014 9:25 AM To: Jon Tasker; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List survey Jon Was the survey done for you? Did you pay for it? There are two types of surveys. There is a pre-purchase survey commissioned and paid for by the potential buyer and there is an insurance survey commissioned and paid for by the existing owner for insurance purposes. The buyers survey is usually more detailed and is there to point out the potential issues as well as strengths of the boat. An insurance survey does not always record everything to the same level of detail and is designed to put a valuation on the boat for insurance purposes. I have had both done. I like my insurance company to have a very high opinion of my boat. However when buying I like to know potential expenses I will incur in order to determine a fair price So back to the original question. Who paid for the survey? Mike -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jon Tasker via CnC-List Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 10:55 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 105, Issue 76 I also bought my boat in Racine and got a multi-page report from the recommended surveyor. The survey was dishonest from start to finish, had the seller's interest in mind and future survey business. Had it been honest, I could have gotten another $10,000 off the sell price. The moral of the story is do your own survey. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 27, 2014, at 12:00 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: > > Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to > cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Overpriced? (Robert Abbott) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 12:40:26 -0300 > From: Robert Abbott <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> > To: Brent Driedger <bren...@highspeedcrow.ca>, "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Stus-List Overpriced? > Message-ID: <544e676a.5000...@eastlink.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > There is a buyer for everything, at the right price. > > When we were looking for a boat in 2005-06, there were three (3) C&C > 32's for sale here in Halifax, N.S.......looked at them all. Looked > at a C&C 30 MKI and Mirage 32 here as well. > > Ended up buying our boat from Racine Riverside Marina, Racine, > Wisconsin.....one owner, professionally maintained, adequately > equipped, fresh water boat. The purchase price, exchange rate and > transportation cost to truck it here cost us approx. $8,000 less than > what we would have paid for any of the local boats. We also got a new > 10' Zodiac thrown in. And I have sold 3 sails that came with the boat > that I will never use. > > I never traveled to Racine to view the boat.....paid a surveyor about > $350 USD for a 23 page report....that was the selling point, the survey. > I would do that no matter where I was buying a boat. > > I understand many buyers would never do what we did, buy a boat unseen > so far away. Would I do it again, absolutely. > > I wish this 32 seller well.....if he gets close to his asking price, > it bodes well for all us C&C owners. > > Rob Abbott > AZURA > C&C 32 - 84 > Halifax, N.S. > > > > > > >> On 2014/10/26 10:54 PM, Brent Driedger wrote: >> I'll chime in on this as Bowline Yachts was the broker for my boat backwhen I bought it and I know the owner well. At first glance the prices they ask seem high and become the frequent talk at the club but with respect to the company's owner I'll provide a little insight to explain thoughnot necessarily justify the prices. >> In central Canada here there is not much option for buying used >> sailboats. The market is not saturated by any means and the stock of >> quality used boats available is thin. This usually means pay what the >> owner wants oroutsource to the south and pay for exchange, shipping, >> border brokerage, flights to and from the location, permits and lots >> of survey charges. When you total it all up the prices end up being >> fairly close to what Bowline typically charges. Then add to that >> there is the comfort level of knowing the history of the local boats, >> their owners and background. Furtherto that, our season is short so >> all of these boats are out of water for 7 months of the year. The >> boats are in fresh water the remaining 5 and onLake of the Woods >> there's little swell to speak of even in storms. The biggest hazard >> is grounding and unfortunately most sailboats there have touched >> bottom. The remainder will some day. The rigs although 30 plus years >> old show no corrosion or acid rain pitting. Gener > ally outside of wet decks or blisters, a 35 year old boat is in 20 year old condition if it was decently maintained. >> I agree that $65000 for an 84 32 is very high but the price will appealto those who want a quick painless purchase with background confidence of a quality fresh water boat. It may include a slip too which at my harbour is impossible to get now. I would expect a fair bit of negotiation will bring it closer to reality as well. >> Cheers >> >> Brent Driedger >> C&C 27v >> Lake Winnipeg >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 25, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>> While I think this appears to be a nicely equipped and well maintainedboat, I think the owner is overly optimistic with his asking price. We bought our boat in 2006 for half that price and it was a well maintained,fresh water, one owner boat. >>> >>> Sure would like to hear any and all comments on this! >>> >>> >>> http://www.bowlineyachts.ca/sailboats/1984candclegacy.html >>> >>> Rob Abbott >>> AZURA >>> C&C 32 - 84 >>> Halifax, N.S. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> >>> Email address: >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > CnC-List mailing list > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ------------------------------ > > End of CnC-List Digest, Vol 105, Issue 76 > ***************************************** _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ----- No virus found in this message. 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