I have a '74 33 3/4 tonner. I believe our rigs are very similar if not identical. I just had my mast un-stepped in order to haul the boat to my property for some winter projects. The mast is stored at my marina. If you like I can take some close up pics for you. I should be heading down to the yard this weekend.
I have no experience in replacing the masthead sheaves but you might be able to get a good idea of what is involved if you decide to go that route. My main can be difficult to raise also but I chalked that up to my lack of experience and extra hands. I found that feeding it into the track is a huge help but again, extra hands would be helpful. I also learned the hard way to move my running backs out of the way. Burt 1974 33 3/4 tonner Not named yet On the hard Walpole, MA -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Hickson Fellers via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 1:08 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Masthead sheaves replacement The main on Flight Risk is very difficult to raise or more difficult than I think it should be. Would anyone please share info on replacing the halyard sheaves? There seem to be good resources for replacements, but I cannot remember what the masthead looks like exactly with respect to their access. She's a '76 C$C 33-1. Once the mast is unstepped, I think I could replace them myself. Has anyone here done this? Does it require any special tools? Can I get replacements before I have the old ones out? Thx for any info or directions. Barbara H. Fellers "Flight Risk" C&C 33-1 hull #151 Charleston, SC > On Dec 3, 2014, at 10:12 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: > > Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to > cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: OMG! We're dragging! (LKL Architects) > 2. Re: OMG! We're dragging! (Bill Bina - gmail) > 3. Source for Hardware to Close Panels (Edd Schillay) > 4. Re: Source for Hardware to Close Panels (Paul Fountain) > 5. Re: LF38 engine access - how bad is it really? (Steve Thomas) > 6. Subject: Re: LF38 engine access - how bad is it really? > (Daniel Sheer) > 7. Re: OMG! We're dragging! (Burt Stratton) > 8. Re: Source for Hardware to Close Panels (Edd Schillay) > 9. diesel differences (Peter Delean) 10. Re: OMG! We're dragging! > (Chris Price) 11. List LF38 engine access - how bad is it really? > (Robert Boyer) 12. Re: LF38 engine access - how bad is it really? > (Rick Brass) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 08:43:38 -0600 > From: "LKL Architects" <lklarchite...@gmail.com> > To: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com>, <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List OMG! We're dragging! > Message-ID: <B8B0FB936B8F4793B59BEA49E9BB45E2@LloydPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Dennis, > > Enjoyed your humor, although I am sure there was nothing funny in your mind when you were awaken. First time I set my anchor alarm, I allowed for 10 feet of drag. During the night there was a slight wind change, no drag but Finesse did swing. LIke you it got me up in a hurry. How stupid I felt not thinking about something so simple as a possible wind change, duh. Again, enjoyed you humor and thanks for posting. > > Lloyd Lippe > Finesss > Rockport, Texas > From: Dennis C. via CnC-List > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 8:14 AM > Subject: Stus-List OMG! We're dragging! > > > Anchored off boardwalk at Pensacola Beach last night. 30 20.25 N 87 08.41 W. Dead calm, clear night. Set anchor alarm on GPS. Depth alarm also set. > > At 5am this morning I was startled awake by "beep beep beep". Leapt up, came into cockpit and heard it again. It was the backup alarm on a garbage truck on the island emptying dumpsters. :(. Crap! > > Dennis C. > Touch? 35-1 #83 > Mandeville, LA > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was > scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141 > 203/dfaf7b7f/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:50:51 -0500 > From: Bill Bina - gmail <billbinal...@gmail.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List OMG! We're dragging! > Message-ID: <547f234b.8010...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > I've often wished for an anchor alarm app for my smart phone or GPS > chartplotter that would work like the range alarm on my RADAR where > you set a ring of a particular range, rather than just a directional > distance, and if you moved outside of that circle, the alarm would > sound. Seems to me that GPS makers have missed the boat on what would > be a really great feature to use as a sales pitch. > > Bill Bina > >> On 12/3/2014 9:43 AM, LKL Architects via CnC-List wrote: >> Dennis, >> Enjoyed your humor, although I am sure there was nothing funny in >> your mind when you were awaken. First time I set my anchor alarm, I >> allowed for 10 feet of drag. During the night there was a slight >> wind change, no drag but Finesse did swing. LIke you it got me up >> in a hurry. How stupid I felt not thinking about something so simple >> as a possible wind change, duh. Again, enjoyed you humor and thanks >> for posting. >> Lloyd Lippe >> Finesss >> Rockport, Texas >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was > scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141 > 203/276b7fc8/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 09:52:52 -0500 > From: Edd Schillay <e...@schillay.com> > To: C&C List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Stus-List Source for Hardware to Close Panels > Message-ID: <0981575c-075f-47c2-b3e2-e4e31ff5e...@schillay.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Listers, > > Anyone know of a good source for hardware to close panels? I?m adding some new panels to my nav station and I want them hinged so I can access the ?guts? behind the instruments without taking the whole thing apart. I?m looking for something that I can push and turn or or something that I can just twist into place to hold the panel closed. > > See Josh?s nave station: https://docs.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yNGhiaThMcFdtWUU <https://docs.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yNGhiaThMcFdtWUU> I?m looking for the hardware that keeps the panels in place. Any leads? > > Hailing frequencies open. On screen. > > > > All the best, > > Edd > > > Edd M. Schillay > Starship Enterprise > C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B > City Island, NY > Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log > <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was > scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141 > 203/932773d1/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 14:56:51 +0000 > From: Paul Fountain <p...@seasource.ca> > To: Edd Schillay <e...@schillay.com>, "<cnc-list@cnc-list.com>" > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Source for Hardware to Close Panels > Message-ID: <00d85a9c-6335-437b-b549-cad460fa0...@seasource.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > PYI have a floor anchor system that may be what you are looking for > > Www.Pyiinc.com<http://Www.Pyiinc.com> > > Paul. :) > > > On Dec 3, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: > > Listers, > > Anyone know of a good source for hardware to close panels? I'm adding some new panels to my nav station and I want them hinged so I can access the "guts" behind the instruments without taking the whole thing apart. I'm looking for something that I can push and turn or or something that I can just twist into place to hold the panel closed. > > See Josh's nave station: https://docs.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yNGhiaThMcFdtWUU I'm looking for the hardware that keeps the panels in place. Any leads? > > Hailing frequencies open. On screen. > > > > All the best, > > Edd > > > Edd M. Schillay > Starship Enterprise > C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B > City Island, NY > Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log<http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/> > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com<mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was > scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141 > 203/e6b37b7e/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 09:58:50 -0500 > From: Steve Thomas <sthom...@sympatico.ca> > To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>, "Hoyt, Mike" <mike.h...@impgroup.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List LF38 engine access - how bad is it really? > Message-ID: <blu437-smtp9098cb111d3d4f5920fa97bf...@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Mike, > The heat exchanger in a "fresh water" cooled engine system exchanges heat between the engine and seawater. I am guessing that your "everyday life" idea of a heat exchanger is one that uses a hot working fluid to heat room air, as in a house with a hot water heating system. > > In any case, and in answer to your question, yes you can pipe the glycol from the engine through a heater core in exactly the same way as the heater in your car. You just have to make sure that whatever you do, the engine will still have enough cooling capacity. You can probably get away with just plumbing the heater in series with the sea water heat exchanger so long as you make sure that the flow is not restricted. In other words the heater core and the hoses would have to be big enough, and the hose runs short enough. A "Y" valve that can handle engine coolant temperature is one way to complete the system so that you can bypass the heater core when cabin heat is not required. The design considerations get a bit more complicated if you only want to divert a portion of the coolant flow through the heater core, but it can still be done. > > Steve Thomas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List > To: Josh Muckley ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 8:28 AM > Subject: Re: Stus-List LF38 engine access - how bad is it really? > > > Josh > > > > I am guessing heat exchanger that you refer to does not mean the same as in everyday life where it can be used as a heater for the boat with some reworking. Am I incorrect? I have 3GM30F and some days it is miserably cold while underway and the option of an onboard engine driven heater might be nice > > > > Also. I think your landfall38s likely have tons more access than our frers 33 with an oversized engine. Maybe Rich and I will have to compare next summer > > > > Mike > > Persistence > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:55 PM > To: Patrick Davin; C&C List > Subject: Re: Stus-List LF38 engine access - how bad is it really? > > > > The difference between the GM and HM are negligible. Most/many parts are interchangeable. The HM only came in 3 cylinders and had a slightly higher power rating. The F designation means that it has a glycol (fresh water) coolant system and heat exchanger. The GM came in 1, 2 and 3 cylinder versions in which parts were directly interchangeable. Visually I believe all of the GMs have a place where a handle can be attached to the front of the engine to presumably hand crank. I have a Yanmar service manual that covers all of the HM and GM variants. > > Not sure about the QM. > > As for access I enjoy 3 sides but could survive comfortably with just front and back. Front alone would be quite challenging. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C&C 37+ > Yanmar 3HM35F > Solomons, MD > > On Dec 2, 2014 10:40 PM, "Patrick Davin via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > I took a look at a Landfall 38 last week, and yeah it's pretty bad (engine access). But does it actually prevent you from doing any critical tasks or is it more of a nuisance? > > > > Also anyone know the differences between the Yanmar 3QM30F, 3HM30F, and 3GM, either in terms of size (access) or power / longevity? > > > > The boat I looked at had the engine recorded as HM, as either a correction or upgrade (to a survey which indicated it was QM), but the owner said on this forum (a few years ago) that it came with a GM. The broker said it has the original engine. So this is very confusing/misleading, but will try to clarify with broker which it actually is. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141203/3b 764107/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 14:58:31 +0000 (UTC) > From: Daniel Sheer <dansh...@yahoo.com> > To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Stus-List Subject: Re: LF38 engine access - how bad is it > really? > Message-ID: > <164981325.2696700.1417618711916.javamail.ya...@jws10051.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Pegathy has an HM35F, which is supposed to rate 35 hp. It was installed in the mid 90's and has about 2700 hrs. Still runs very well - started right up in freezing weather when I had her hauled two weeks ago. She's configured with the OEM nav station starboard. There's access in the front, after removing the panels, one of which has four built in drawers which need to be removed first. There's an ~9"x18" door on the port side well into the q-berth, and starboard access from the lazarette in the cockpit. Once you empty the lazarette, panels come out and it's wide open - provided you've wedged your body (or hang your torso) in the lazarette - which does have a flat floor board to crouch on. I and even I, circumferentially challenged, old and inflexible as I am, can get in, but it ain't pretty. > > There's an access port cut in the bottom of Pegathy's cockpit above the oil filler cap. That makes things easier, else you need a hose on the funnel to add oil or coolant. Checking the oil requires emptying all the crap from the q-berth, removing the cushions to get the door off, putting on a head lamp, and crawling in. The oil check is on the right (that is the port) side of the engine because the v-drive requires they put the engine in backwards. Changing belts, water pumps, or alternator at the stern end of the engine, which is actually the front, is done from the lazarette or the q-berth, depending on which belt or whatever. It's doable, just a pain relative to having them at the companionway.? The v-drive is on the forward end (back) of the engine, so aligning the shaft and checking the transmission oil are easier. > So the answer is ...... you actually can get to everything you need, even change belts in a seaway, but it's usually twice the work or more. That said, how often do you change belts? Answer: 4 raw water pump belts and 1 alternator belt on the trip from Ft. Lauderdale, where I bought her, to Baltimore. Not one more in three seasons since the pulleys were smoothed, but with way less total hours than the Florida trip. We'll see when I take her to New England next spring. > I didn't and wouldn't let the access issue stop me from buying the boat. She sails like a dream, and is shoal draft (~5') for the Chesapeake, very comfortable, very stable, and quite dry. And I like a boat with less freeboard that keeps me closer to the water. I like to pet the dolphins (yup, did that). > > Dan SheerPegathy - C&C LF 38Rock Creek off the Patapsco > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141203/cf d4c139/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 09:59:53 -0500 > From: "Burt Stratton" <bstrat...@falconnect.com> > To: "'Bill Bina - gmail'" <billbinal...@gmail.com>, > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List OMG! We're dragging! > Message-ID: <04f501d00f09$cbdff9c0$639fed40$@falconnect.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Bill, > > > > My old Garmin Chart plotter does exactly that. The anchor alarm sets up a > radius from a point and sounds when you go outside it. Pretty sure most of > them have that feature. > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina > - gmail via CnC-List > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 9:51 AM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List OMG! We're dragging! > > > > I've often wished for an anchor alarm app for my smart phone or GPS > chartplotter that would work like the range alarm on my RADAR where you set > a ring of a particular range, rather than just a directional distance, and > if you moved outside of that circle, the alarm would sound. Seems to me that > GPS makers have missed the boat on what would be a really great feature to > use as a sales pitch. > > Bill Bina > > On 12/3/2014 9:43 AM, LKL Architects via CnC-List wrote: > > Dennis, > > > > Enjoyed your humor, although I am sure there was nothing funny in your mind > when you were awaken. First time I set my anchor alarm, I allowed for 10 > feet of drag. During the night there was a slight wind change, no drag but > Finesse did swing. LIke you it got me up in a hurry. How stupid I felt not > thinking about something so simple as a possible wind change, duh. Again, > enjoyed you humor and thanks for posting. > > > > Lloyd Lippe > > Finesss > > Rockport, Texas > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141203/31 432be9/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 10:00:28 -0500 > From: Edd Schillay <e...@schillay.com> > To: "<cnc-list@cnc-list.com>" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Source for Hardware to Close Panels > Message-ID: <837a91d8-175e-4888-b2ab-7cd15ed64...@schillay.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Paul, > > Thanks. ut I want something real simple. Much like the twists that keep most of our 12V panels in place. You push, twist and out it comes. > > > All the best, > > Edd > > > Edd M. Schillay > Starship Enterprise > C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B > City Island, NY > Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/> >> On Dec 3, 2014, at 9:56 AM, Paul Fountain <p...@seasource.ca> wrote: >> >> PYI have a floor anchor system that may be what you are looking for >> >> Www.Pyiinc.com <http://www.pyiinc.com/> >> >> Paul. :) >> >> >>> On Dec 3, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Listers, >>> >>> Anyone know of a good source for hardware to close panels? I?m adding some new panels to my nav station and I want them hinged so I can access the ?guts? behind the instruments without taking the whole thing apart. I?m looking for something that I can push and turn or or something that I can just twist into place to hold the panel closed. >>> >>> See Josh?s nave station: https://docs.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yNGhiaThMcFdtWUU <https://docs.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yNGhiaThMcFdtWUU> I?m looking for the hardware that keeps the panels in place. Any leads? >>> >>> Hailing frequencies open. On screen. >>> >>> >>> >>> All the best, >>> >>> Edd >>> >>> >>> Edd M. Schillay >>> Starship Enterprise >>> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B >>> City Island, NY >>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> >>> Email address: >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> >>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com <http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com> >>> > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141203/06 e43dc3/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 10:01:07 -0500 > From: Peter Delean <padluckypie...@gmail.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Stus-List diesel differences > Message-ID: > <CADNUXQPXPSCzp0NPk76yarmJB97u9=u16jvqxoapwdzk9hu...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > My boat originally (1980) came with a 2QM15 that weighed close to 200 kg > (440 lbs). > > In 1984 they changed the engine to a 2GM15 that weighed 100 kg (220 lbs). > Not only lighter, it was smaller and more compact. > > I suspect the larger models exhibit weight and dimension differences also. > > Peter Delean > Drifter II > C&C 30 Mk1 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141203/15 8d9c1d/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 15:03:29 +0000 (UTC) > From: Chris Price <iceboa...@comcast.net> > To: Bill Bina - gmail <billbinal...@gmail.com>, cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List OMG! We're dragging! > Message-ID: > <1945598937.15391459.1417619009579.javamail.zim...@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Many years ago, I took my future wife and her sister for a sail on an old Columbia Sabre on a warm February day in Baltimore Harbor. On the way back, the wind quit and the fog rolled in while we were between the Domino Sugar factory and the Bethlehem Steel drydocks. We could barely see the bow on a 32' boat. As we were drifting, out of the fog we hear a ship's whistle - close and loud. After mounting the old British Seagull 5hp outboard, and trying to get it started in a panic with a lot of words that my wife had never heard, or heard since, I looked at my watch and sat down. My wife, worried we were about to get run over by a ship asked what the hell I was doing. I told her it was the noon whistle at the shipyard. She's never forgiven me. > > Chris Price > Pradel 35 MK I > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 9:50:51 AM > Subject: Re: Stus-List OMG! We're dragging! > > I've often wished for an anchor alarm app for my smart phone or GPS chartplotter that would work like the range alarm on my RADAR where you set a ring of a particular range, rather than just a directional distance, and if you moved outside of that circle, the alarm would sound. Seems to me that GPS makers have missed the boat on what would be a really great feature to use as a sales pitch. > > Bill Bina > > On 12/3/2014 9:43 AM, LKL Architects via CnC-List wrote: > > > > Dennis, > Enjoyed your humor, although I am sure there was nothing funny in your mind when you were awaken. First time I set my anchor alarm, I allowed for 10 feet of drag. During the night there was a slight wind change, no drag but Finesse did swing. LIke you it got me up in a hurry. How stupid I felt not thinking about something so simple as a possible wind change, duh. Again, enjoyed you humor and thanks for posting. > Lloyd Lippe > Finesss > Rockport, Texas > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141203/4a 9e76db/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 10:06:34 -0500 > From: Robert Boyer <dainyr...@icloud.com> > To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Stus-List List LF38 engine access - how bad is it really? > Message-ID: <7876e7bb-71dc-44fc-a842-e4ed2b579...@icloud.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > In my opinion its not all that bad. There is a lot of access through the starboard cockpit locker for changing the solenoid/starter, oil filter, air filter, and v-belts. The panel between the cockpit locker and the engine is removable. Getting to the water pump to change the impeller was difficult so I installed much longer inlet and outlet hoses so that I can pull the water pump out into the port quarter berth without even disconnecting the hoses--this was a big improvement for changing the rubber impellers. > > Putting oil in the crankcase is a challenge since the headroom between the top of the engine and the lower surface of the cockpit deck is very limited but adding oil can be done--its usually only done once per year for most of us. > > I don't have maintenance experience on many boats but my Landfall 38 has much better engine access than my Sabre 28 had for sure. > > Bob Boyer > S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD > 1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230 > email: dainyr...@icloud.com > blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com > > "There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats." --Kenneth Grahame > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141203/de 5fb4ac/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 10:12:42 -0500 > From: "Rick Brass" <rickbr...@earthlink.net> > To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List LF38 engine access - how bad is it really? > Message-ID: <005101d00f0b$96874a10$c395de30$@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Mike; > > > > Josh is correct in saying the "F" in the model number of older Yanmar > engines designated freshwater cooled, and the use of a heat exchanger on the > engine. On a freshwater cooled engine the water/glycol coolant mix in the > block is circulated through a heat exchanger - which is analogous to the > radiator in your car. Raw water, drawn from outside of the boat, is > circulated through the heat exchanger and removes the heat from the > water/glycol coolant before being used to cool the exhaust gasses and being > discharged overboard. In your car, the relatively cold air passing through > the radiator takes the heat away from the water/glycol coolant in the > engine. > > > > If there is no "F" in the model number of an older Yanmar, it is a raw water > cooled engine. Seawater is drawn from outside, pumped through the engine to > cool it, then mixed with the exhaust to cool that, and then discharged > overboard. > > > > Now I said "older" Yanmar engines because every model in their current > product line seems to come with a heat exchanger and fresh water cooling. > > > > In response to another comment made about the "GM", "HM", "QM" model > designation (the current engines are "YM") that is a model series > designation. It almost looks like it relates to the generation of emission > controls present on the engine. I notice that the YM series is designed to > meet the diesel emission standards that started to become effective in 2011 > in the US. > > > > So "2" or "3" is the number of cylinders. "GM" etc. is the engine series. > "30" is the nominal horsepower. And "F" is freshwater cooled. (On the 4 > cylinder engines "TE" is turbocharged, and "ETE" is intercooled and > turbocharged.) > > > > Your idea about having an engine powered heater for the boat is an > interesting one. It would be relatively easy to tap the hot water/glycol > cooling system (we do it all the time now for installing a water heater on > the boat) and route some of the coolant through a radiator inside the cabin > (analogous to the heater core in your car). An electric fan could provide > air circulation. And you would want to come up with some sort of > thermostatically controlled valve to throttle the flow of hot water to match > the heating needs inside the cabin. Pretty doable, but the devil would be in > the details. > > > > > > Rick Brass > > Imzadi C&C 38 mk 2 > > la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1 > > Washington, NC > > > > > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, > Mike via CnC-List > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 8:29 AM > To: Josh Muckley; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List LF38 engine access - how bad is it really? > > > > Josh > > > > I am guessing heat exchanger that you refer to does not mean the same as in > everyday life where it can be used as a heater for the boat with some > reworking. Am I incorrect? I have 3GM30F and some days it is miserably > cold while underway and the option of an onboard engine driven heater might > be nice > > > > Also. I think your landfall38s likely have tons more access than our frers > 33 with an oversized engine. Maybe Rich and I will have to compare next > summer > > > > Mike > > Persistence > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh > Muckley via CnC-List > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:55 PM > To: Patrick Davin; C&C List > Subject: Re: Stus-List LF38 engine access - how bad is it really? > > > > The difference between the GM and HM are negligible. Most/many parts are > interchangeable. The HM only came in 3 cylinders and had a slightly higher > power rating. The F designation means that it has a glycol (fresh water) > coolant system and heat exchanger. The GM came in 1, 2 and 3 cylinder > versions in which parts were directly interchangeable. Visually I believe > all of the GMs have a place where a handle can be attached to the front of > the engine to presumably hand crank. I have a Yanmar service manual that > covers all of the HM and GM variants. > > Not sure about the QM. > > As for access I enjoy 3 sides but could survive comfortably with just front > and back. Front alone would be quite challenging. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C&C 37+ > Yanmar 3HM35F > Solomons, MD > > On Dec 2, 2014 10:40 PM, "Patrick Davin via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com > <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > I took a look at a Landfall 38 last week, and yeah it's pretty bad (engine > access). But does it actually prevent you from doing any critical tasks or > is it more of a nuisance? > > > > Also anyone know the differences between the Yanmar 3QM30F, 3HM30F, and 3GM, > either in terms of size (access) or power / longevity? > > > > The boat I looked at had the engine recorded as HM, as either a correction > or upgrade (to a survey which indicated it was QM), but the owner said on > this forum (a few years ago) that it came with a GM. The broker said it has > the original engine. So this is very confusing/misleading, but will try to > clarify with broker which it actually is. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141203/ed 1ec9be/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > CnC-List mailing list > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ------------------------------ > > End of CnC-List Digest, Vol 107, Issue 7 > **************************************** _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
