The main on Flight Risk is very difficult to raise or more difficult than I think it should be. Would anyone please share info on replacing the halyard sheaves? There seem to be good resources for replacements, but I cannot remember what the masthead looks like exactly with respect to their access. She's a '76 C$C 33-1. Once the mast is unstepped, I think I could replace them myself. Has anyone here done this? Does it require any special tools? Can I get replacements before I have the old ones out? Thx for any info or directions. Barbara H. Fellers "Flight Risk" C&C 33-1 hull #151 Charleston, SC
> On Dec 3, 2014, at 10:12 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: > > Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to > cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: OMG! We're dragging! (LKL Architects) > 2. Re: OMG! We're dragging! (Bill Bina - gmail) > 3. Source for Hardware to Close Panels (Edd Schillay) > 4. Re: Source for Hardware to Close Panels (Paul Fountain) > 5. Re: LF38 engine access - how bad is it really? (Steve Thomas) > 6. Subject: Re: LF38 engine access - how bad is it really? > (Daniel Sheer) > 7. Re: OMG! We're dragging! (Burt Stratton) > 8. Re: Source for Hardware to Close Panels (Edd Schillay) > 9. diesel differences (Peter Delean) > 10. Re: OMG! We're dragging! (Chris Price) > 11. List LF38 engine access - how bad is it really? (Robert Boyer) > 12. Re: LF38 engine access - how bad is it really? (Rick Brass) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 08:43:38 -0600 > From: "LKL Architects" <lklarchite...@gmail.com> > To: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com>, <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List OMG! We're dragging! > Message-ID: <B8B0FB936B8F4793B59BEA49E9BB45E2@LloydPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Dennis, > > Enjoyed your humor, although I am sure there was nothing funny in your mind > when you were awaken. First time I set my anchor alarm, I allowed for 10 > feet of drag. During the night there was a slight wind change, no drag but > Finesse did swing. LIke you it got me up in a hurry. How stupid I felt not > thinking about something so simple as a possible wind change, duh. Again, > enjoyed you humor and thanks for posting. > > Lloyd Lippe > Finesss > Rockport, Texas > From: Dennis C. via CnC-List > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 8:14 AM > Subject: Stus-List OMG! We're dragging! > > > Anchored off boardwalk at Pensacola Beach last night. 30 20.25 N 87 08.41 W. > Dead calm, clear night. Set anchor alarm on GPS. Depth alarm also set. > > At 5am this morning I was startled awake by "beep beep beep". Leapt up, > came into cockpit and heard it again. It was the backup alarm on a garbage > truck on the island emptying dumpsters. :(. Crap! > > Dennis C. > Touch? 35-1 #83 > Mandeville, LA > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141203/dfaf7b7f/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:50:51 -0500 > From: Bill Bina - gmail <billbinal...@gmail.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List OMG! We're dragging! > Message-ID: <547f234b.8010...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > I've often wished for an anchor alarm app for my smart phone or GPS > chartplotter that would work like the range alarm on my RADAR where you > set a ring of a particular range, rather than just a directional > distance, and if you moved outside of that circle, the alarm would > sound. Seems to me that GPS makers have missed the boat on what would be > a really great feature to use as a sales pitch. > > Bill Bina > >> On 12/3/2014 9:43 AM, LKL Architects via CnC-List wrote: >> Dennis, >> Enjoyed your humor, although I am sure there was nothing funny in your >> mind when you were awaken. First time I set my anchor alarm, I >> allowed for 10 feet of drag. During the night there was a slight wind >> change, no drag but Finesse did swing. LIke you it got me up in a >> hurry. How stupid I felt not thinking about something so simple as a >> possible wind change, duh. Again, enjoyed you humor and thanks for >> posting. >> Lloyd Lippe >> Finesss >> Rockport, Texas >> > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141203/276b7fc8/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 09:52:52 -0500 > From: Edd Schillay <e...@schillay.com> > To: C&C List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Stus-List Source for Hardware to Close Panels > Message-ID: <0981575c-075f-47c2-b3e2-e4e31ff5e...@schillay.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Listers, > > Anyone know of a good source for hardware to close panels? I?m adding some > new panels to my nav station and I want them hinged so I can access the > ?guts? behind the instruments without taking the whole thing apart. I?m > looking for something that I can push and turn or or something that I can > just twist into place to hold the panel closed. > > See Josh?s nave station: > https://docs.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yNGhiaThMcFdtWUU > <https://docs.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yNGhiaThMcFdtWUU> I?m > looking for the hardware that keeps the panels in place. Any leads? > > Hailing frequencies open. On screen. > > > > All the best, > > Edd > > > Edd M. Schillay > Starship Enterprise > C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B > City Island, NY > Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141203/932773d1/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 14:56:51 +0000 > From: Paul Fountain <p...@seasource.ca> > To: Edd Schillay <e...@schillay.com>, "<cnc-list@cnc-list.com>" > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Source for Hardware to Close Panels > Message-ID: <00d85a9c-6335-437b-b549-cad460fa0...@seasource.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > PYI have a floor anchor system that may be what you are looking for > > Www.Pyiinc.com<http://Www.Pyiinc.com> > > Paul. :) > > > On Dec 3, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: > > Listers, > > Anyone know of a good source for hardware to close panels? I'm adding some > new panels to my nav station and I want them hinged so I can access the > "guts" behind the instruments without taking the whole thing apart. I'm > looking for something that I can push and turn or or something that I can > just twist into place to hold the panel closed. > > See Josh's nave station: > https://docs.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yNGhiaThMcFdtWUU I'm > looking for the hardware that keeps the panels in place. Any leads? > > Hailing frequencies open. On screen. > > > > All the best, > > Edd > > > Edd M. Schillay > Starship Enterprise > C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B > City Island, NY > Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log<http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/> > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com<mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141203/e6b37b7e/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 09:58:50 -0500 > From: Steve Thomas <sthom...@sympatico.ca> > To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>, "Hoyt, Mike" <mike.h...@impgroup.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List LF38 engine access - how bad is it really? > Message-ID: <blu437-smtp9098cb111d3d4f5920fa97bf...@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Mike, > The heat exchanger in a "fresh water" cooled engine system exchanges > heat between the engine and seawater. I am guessing that your "everyday life" > idea of a heat exchanger is one that uses a hot working fluid to heat room > air, as in a house with a hot water heating system. > > In any case, and in answer to your question, yes you can pipe the glycol from > the engine through a heater core in exactly the same way as the heater in > your car. You just have to make sure that whatever you do, the engine will > still have enough cooling capacity. You can probably get away with just > plumbing the heater in series with the sea water heat exchanger so long as > you make sure that the flow is not restricted. In other words the heater core > and the hoses would have to be big enough, and the hose runs short enough. A > "Y" valve that can handle engine coolant temperature is one way to complete > the system so that you can bypass the heater core when cabin heat is not > required. The design considerations get a bit more complicated if you only > want to divert a portion of the coolant flow through the heater core, but it > can still be done. > > Steve Thomas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List > To: Josh Muckley ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 8:28 AM > Subject: Re: Stus-List LF38 engine access - how bad is it really? > > > Josh > > > > I am guessing heat exchanger that you refer to does not mean the same as in > everyday life where it can be used as a heater for the boat with some > reworking. Am I incorrect? I have 3GM30F and some days it is miserably cold > while underway and the option of an onboard engine driven heater might be nice > > > > Also. I think your landfall38s likely have tons more access than our frers > 33 with an oversized engine. Maybe Rich and I will have to compare next > summer > > > > Mike > > Persistence > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh > Muckley via CnC-List > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:55 PM > To: Patrick Davin; C&C List > Subject: Re: Stus-List LF38 engine access - how bad is it really? > > > > The difference between the GM and HM are negligible. Most/many parts are > interchangeable. The HM only came in 3 cylinders and had a slightly higher > power rating. The F designation means that it has a glycol (fresh water) > coolant system and heat exchanger. The GM came in 1, 2 and 3 cylinder > versions in which parts were directly interchangeable. Visually I believe > all of the GMs have a place where a handle can be attached to the front of > the engine to presumably hand crank. I have a Yanmar service manual that > covers all of the HM and GM variants. > > Not sure about the QM. > > As for access I enjoy 3 sides but could survive comfortably with just front > and back. Front alone would be quite challenging. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C&C 37+ > Yanmar 3HM35F > Solomons, MD > > On Dec 2, 2014 10:40 PM, "Patrick Davin via CnC-List" > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > I took a look at a Landfall 38 last week, and yeah it's pretty bad (engine > access). But does it actually prevent you from doing any critical tasks or is > it more of a nuisance? > > > > Also anyone know the differences between the Yanmar 3QM30F, 3HM30F, and 3GM, > either in terms of size (access) or power / longevity? > > > > The boat I looked at had the engine recorded as HM, as either a correction > or upgrade (to a survey which indicated it was QM), but the owner said on > this forum (a few years ago) that it came with a GM. The broker said it has > the original engine. So this is very confusing/misleading, but will try to > clarify with broker which it actually is. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141203/3b764107/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 14:58:31 +0000 (UTC) > From: Daniel Sheer <dansh...@yahoo.com> > To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Stus-List Subject: Re: LF38 engine access - how bad is it > really? > Message-ID: > > <164981325.2696700.1417618711916.javamail.ya...@jws10051.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Pegathy has an HM35F, which is supposed to rate 35 hp. It was installed in > the mid 90's and has about 2700 hrs. Still runs very well - started right up > in freezing weather when I had her hauled two weeks ago. She's configured > with the OEM nav station starboard. There's access in the front, after > removing the panels, one of which has four built in drawers which need to be > removed first. There's an ~9"x18" door on the port side well into the > q-berth, and starboard access from the lazarette in the cockpit. Once you > empty the lazarette, panels come out and it's wide open - provided you've > wedged your body (or hang your torso) in the lazarette - which does have a > flat floor board to crouch on. I and even I, circumferentially challenged, > old and inflexible as I am, can get in, but it ain't pretty. > > There's an access port cut in the bottom of Pegathy's cockpit above the oil > filler cap. That makes things easier, else you need a hose on the funnel to > add oil or coolant. Checking the oil requires emptying all the crap from the > q-berth, removing the cushions to get the door off, putting on a head lamp, > and crawling in. The oil check is on the right (that is the port) side of the > engine because the v-drive requires they put the engine in backwards. > Changing belts, water pumps, or alternator at the stern end of the engine, > which is actually the front, is done from the lazarette or the q-berth, > depending on which belt or whatever. It's doable, just a pain relative to > having them at the companionway.? The v-drive is on the forward end (back) of > the engine, so aligning the shaft and checking the transmission oil are > easier. > So the answer is ...... you actually can get to everything you need, even > change belts in a seaway, but it's usually twice the work or more. That said, > how often do you change belts? Answer: 4 raw water pump belts and 1 > alternator belt on the trip from Ft. Lauderdale, where I bought her, to > Baltimore. Not one more in three seasons since the pulleys were smoothed, but > with way less total hours than the Florida trip. We'll see when I take her to > New England next spring. > I didn't and wouldn't let the access issue stop me from buying the boat. She > sails like a dream, and is shoal draft (~5') for the Chesapeake, very > comfortable, very stable, and quite dry. And I like a boat with less > freeboard that keeps me closer to the water. I like to pet the dolphins (yup, > did that). > > Dan SheerPegathy - C&C LF 38Rock Creek off the Patapsco > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141203/cfd4c139/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 09:59:53 -0500 > From: "Burt Stratton" <bstrat...@falconnect.com> > To: "'Bill Bina - gmail'" <billbinal...@gmail.com>, > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List OMG! We're dragging! > Message-ID: <04f501d00f09$cbdff9c0$639fed40$@falconnect.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Bill, > > > > My old Garmin Chart plotter does exactly that. The anchor alarm sets up a > radius from a point and sounds when you go outside it. Pretty sure most of > them have that feature. > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina > - gmail via CnC-List > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 9:51 AM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List OMG! We're dragging! > > > > I've often wished for an anchor alarm app for my smart phone or GPS > chartplotter that would work like the range alarm on my RADAR where you set > a ring of a particular range, rather than just a directional distance, and > if you moved outside of that circle, the alarm would sound. Seems to me that > GPS makers have missed the boat on what would be a really great feature to > use as a sales pitch. > > Bill Bina > > On 12/3/2014 9:43 AM, LKL Architects via CnC-List wrote: > > Dennis, > > > > Enjoyed your humor, although I am sure there was nothing funny in your mind > when you were awaken. First time I set my anchor alarm, I allowed for 10 > feet of drag. During the night there was a slight wind change, no drag but > Finesse did swing. LIke you it got me up in a hurry. How stupid I felt not > thinking about something so simple as a possible wind change, duh. Again, > enjoyed you humor and thanks for posting. > > > > Lloyd Lippe > > Finesss > > Rockport, Texas > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141203/31432be9/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 10:00:28 -0500 > From: Edd Schillay <e...@schillay.com> > To: "<cnc-list@cnc-list.com>" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Source for Hardware to Close Panels > Message-ID: <837a91d8-175e-4888-b2ab-7cd15ed64...@schillay.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Paul, > > Thanks. ut I want something real simple. Much like the twists that keep > most of our 12V panels in place. You push, twist and out it comes. > > > All the best, > > Edd > > > Edd M. Schillay > Starship Enterprise > C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B > City Island, NY > Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/> >> On Dec 3, 2014, at 9:56 AM, Paul Fountain <p...@seasource.ca> wrote: >> >> PYI have a floor anchor system that may be what you are looking for >> >> Www.Pyiinc.com <http://www.pyiinc.com/> >> >> Paul. :) >> >> >>> On Dec 3, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List >>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Listers, >>> >>> Anyone know of a good source for hardware to close panels? I?m adding some >>> new panels to my nav station and I want them hinged so I can access the >>> ?guts? behind the instruments without taking the whole thing apart. I?m >>> looking for something that I can push and turn or or something that I can >>> just twist into place to hold the panel closed. >>> >>> See Josh?s nave station: >>> https://docs.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yNGhiaThMcFdtWUU >>> <https://docs.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yNGhiaThMcFdtWUU> I?m >>> looking for the hardware that keeps the panels in place. Any leads? >>> >>> Hailing frequencies open. On screen. >>> >>> >>> >>> All the best, >>> >>> Edd >>> >>> >>> Edd M. Schillay >>> Starship Enterprise >>> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B >>> City Island, NY >>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> >>> Email address: >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> >>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >>> page at: >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>> <http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com> >>> > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141203/06e43dc3/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 10:01:07 -0500 > From: Peter Delean <padluckypie...@gmail.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Stus-List diesel differences > Message-ID: > <CADNUXQPXPSCzp0NPk76yarmJB97u9=u16jvqxoapwdzk9hu...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > My boat originally (1980) came with a 2QM15 that weighed close to 200 kg > (440 lbs). > > In 1984 they changed the engine to a 2GM15 that weighed 100 kg (220 lbs). > Not only lighter, it was smaller and more compact. > > I suspect the larger models exhibit weight and dimension differences also. > > Peter Delean > Drifter II > C&C 30 Mk1 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141203/158d9c1d/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 15:03:29 +0000 (UTC) > From: Chris Price <iceboa...@comcast.net> > To: Bill Bina - gmail <billbinal...@gmail.com>, cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List OMG! We're dragging! > Message-ID: > <1945598937.15391459.1417619009579.javamail.zim...@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Many years ago, I took my future wife and her sister for a sail on an old > Columbia Sabre on a warm February day in Baltimore Harbor. On the way back, > the wind quit and the fog rolled in while we were between the Domino Sugar > factory and the Bethlehem Steel drydocks. We could barely see the bow on a > 32' boat. As we were drifting, out of the fog we hear a ship's whistle - > close and loud. After mounting the old British Seagull 5hp outboard, and > trying to get it started in a panic with a lot of words that my wife had > never heard, or heard since, I looked at my watch and sat down. My wife, > worried we were about to get run over by a ship asked what the hell I was > doing. I told her it was the noon whistle at the shipyard. She's never > forgiven me. > > Chris Price > Pradel 35 MK I > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 9:50:51 AM > Subject: Re: Stus-List OMG! We're dragging! > > I've often wished for an anchor alarm app for my smart phone or GPS > chartplotter that would work like the range alarm on my RADAR where you set a > ring of a particular range, rather than just a directional distance, and if > you moved outside of that circle, the alarm would sound. Seems to me that GPS > makers have missed the boat on what would be a really great feature to use as > a sales pitch. > > Bill Bina > > On 12/3/2014 9:43 AM, LKL Architects via CnC-List wrote: > > > > Dennis, > Enjoyed your humor, although I am sure there was nothing funny in your mind > when you were awaken. First time I set my anchor alarm, I allowed for 10 feet > of drag. During the night there was a slight wind change, no drag but Finesse > did swing. LIke you it got me up in a hurry. How stupid I felt not thinking > about something so simple as a possible wind change, duh. Again, enjoyed you > humor and thanks for posting. > Lloyd Lippe > Finesss > Rockport, Texas > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141203/4a9e76db/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 10:06:34 -0500 > From: Robert Boyer <dainyr...@icloud.com> > To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Stus-List List LF38 engine access - how bad is it really? > Message-ID: <7876e7bb-71dc-44fc-a842-e4ed2b579...@icloud.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > In my opinion its not all that bad. There is a lot of access through the > starboard cockpit locker for changing the solenoid/starter, oil filter, air > filter, and v-belts. The panel between the cockpit locker and the engine is > removable. Getting to the water pump to change the impeller was difficult so > I installed much longer inlet and outlet hoses so that I can pull the water > pump out into the port quarter berth without even disconnecting the > hoses--this was a big improvement for changing the rubber impellers. > > Putting oil in the crankcase is a challenge since the headroom between the > top of the engine and the lower surface of the cockpit deck is very limited > but adding oil can be done--its usually only done once per year for most of > us. > > I don't have maintenance experience on many boats but my Landfall 38 has much > better engine access than my Sabre 28 had for sure. > > Bob Boyer > S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD > 1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230 > email: dainyr...@icloud.com > blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com > > "There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply > messing about in boats." --Kenneth Grahame > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141203/de5fb4ac/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 10:12:42 -0500 > From: "Rick Brass" <rickbr...@earthlink.net> > To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List LF38 engine access - how bad is it really? > Message-ID: <005101d00f0b$96874a10$c395de30$@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Mike; > > > > Josh is correct in saying the "F" in the model number of older Yanmar > engines designated freshwater cooled, and the use of a heat exchanger on the > engine. On a freshwater cooled engine the water/glycol coolant mix in the > block is circulated through a heat exchanger - which is analogous to the > radiator in your car. Raw water, drawn from outside of the boat, is > circulated through the heat exchanger and removes the heat from the > water/glycol coolant before being used to cool the exhaust gasses and being > discharged overboard. In your car, the relatively cold air passing through > the radiator takes the heat away from the water/glycol coolant in the > engine. > > > > If there is no "F" in the model number of an older Yanmar, it is a raw water > cooled engine. Seawater is drawn from outside, pumped through the engine to > cool it, then mixed with the exhaust to cool that, and then discharged > overboard. > > > > Now I said "older" Yanmar engines because every model in their current > product line seems to come with a heat exchanger and fresh water cooling. > > > > In response to another comment made about the "GM", "HM", "QM" model > designation (the current engines are "YM") that is a model series > designation. It almost looks like it relates to the generation of emission > controls present on the engine. I notice that the YM series is designed to > meet the diesel emission standards that started to become effective in 2011 > in the US. > > > > So "2" or "3" is the number of cylinders. "GM" etc. is the engine series. > "30" is the nominal horsepower. And "F" is freshwater cooled. (On the 4 > cylinder engines "TE" is turbocharged, and "ETE" is intercooled and > turbocharged.) > > > > Your idea about having an engine powered heater for the boat is an > interesting one. It would be relatively easy to tap the hot water/glycol > cooling system (we do it all the time now for installing a water heater on > the boat) and route some of the coolant through a radiator inside the cabin > (analogous to the heater core in your car). An electric fan could provide > air circulation. And you would want to come up with some sort of > thermostatically controlled valve to throttle the flow of hot water to match > the heating needs inside the cabin. Pretty doable, but the devil would be in > the details. > > > > > > Rick Brass > > Imzadi C&C 38 mk 2 > > la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1 > > Washington, NC > > > > > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, > Mike via CnC-List > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 8:29 AM > To: Josh Muckley; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List LF38 engine access - how bad is it really? > > > > Josh > > > > I am guessing heat exchanger that you refer to does not mean the same as in > everyday life where it can be used as a heater for the boat with some > reworking. Am I incorrect? I have 3GM30F and some days it is miserably > cold while underway and the option of an onboard engine driven heater might > be nice > > > > Also. I think your landfall38s likely have tons more access than our frers > 33 with an oversized engine. Maybe Rich and I will have to compare next > summer > > > > Mike > > Persistence > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh > Muckley via CnC-List > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:55 PM > To: Patrick Davin; C&C List > Subject: Re: Stus-List LF38 engine access - how bad is it really? > > > > The difference between the GM and HM are negligible. Most/many parts are > interchangeable. The HM only came in 3 cylinders and had a slightly higher > power rating. The F designation means that it has a glycol (fresh water) > coolant system and heat exchanger. The GM came in 1, 2 and 3 cylinder > versions in which parts were directly interchangeable. Visually I believe > all of the GMs have a place where a handle can be attached to the front of > the engine to presumably hand crank. I have a Yanmar service manual that > covers all of the HM and GM variants. > > Not sure about the QM. > > As for access I enjoy 3 sides but could survive comfortably with just front > and back. Front alone would be quite challenging. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C&C 37+ > Yanmar 3HM35F > Solomons, MD > > On Dec 2, 2014 10:40 PM, "Patrick Davin via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com > <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > I took a look at a Landfall 38 last week, and yeah it's pretty bad (engine > access). But does it actually prevent you from doing any critical tasks or > is it more of a nuisance? > > > > Also anyone know the differences between the Yanmar 3QM30F, 3HM30F, and 3GM, > either in terms of size (access) or power / longevity? > > > > The boat I looked at had the engine recorded as HM, as either a correction > or upgrade (to a survey which indicated it was QM), but the owner said on > this forum (a few years ago) that it came with a GM. The broker said it has > the original engine. So this is very confusing/misleading, but will try to > clarify with broker which it actually is. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141203/ed1ec9be/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > CnC-List mailing list > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ------------------------------ > > End of CnC-List Digest, Vol 107, Issue 7 > **************************************** _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
