not a very well sailed 35-2 I suspect

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 10:39 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> My 38 mk2, Imzadi, has a 5’3” nominal draft (with cruising gear it’s
> probably more like 5’6”) after shortening the keel and installing a torpedo
> bulb made by Mars Metals. I took 10” off the end of the keel (800 pounds if
> I recall correctly) and installed a bulb made by Mars that weighed around
> 1150 pounds.
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> Allen, Pamlico Sound may even be a bit more shallow then Albemarle Sound.
> The deepest spot between here and the Atlantic is about 24 feet, and most
> is less than that. And I plan to go to the Bahamas one of these days, so
> the original 6’1” draft just would not do.
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> I lost some pointing ability because of the change, probably one or two
> degrees of apparent wind. I used to be able to sail up to about 29-30
> apparent, now it is in the 32-33 range. When I was racing seriously with a
> good deck sweeper headsail, I could still outpoint a 35-2 that raced in the
> Pamlico Sailing Club. He outran me downwind, so the two boats were pretty
> evenly matched.
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> I suspect that the end plate effect of my flattened torpedo bulb (it is
> about twice as wide as it is high) has some of the same impact on the keel
> that your wing has. Basically, I’m pretty happy with the modification.
> Particularly when I am sailing in skinny water (like every time I go out).
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> Rick Brass
>
> *Imzadi  *C&C 38 mk 2
>
> *la Belle Aurore *C&C 25 mk1
>
> Washington, NC
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> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Allen
> Miles via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2015 4:39 PM
> *To:* robertlmazza; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 35 modified keel
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> Just an observation and maybe not relevant for a C&C 35.
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> I have a C&C 30-2 with a shoal keel, my close friend Richard Stoltenhoff
> had a sister ship SeaCure with the deep keel,  Both boats were race
> equipped white sail boats. I've sailed both boats and they were well
> matched in the winds we had on LI Sound.
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> When Richard moved south to the Albemarle Sound (20 foot average depth
> where we sail, but tight 6' entrance to the creek and docks), he had his
> keel shortened and a Mars Metal bulb applied. We raced his boat after my
> admiral decided she didn't want her boat dinged by "ignorant" racers.
> Although SeaCure remained fast and retained her stability with the bulb, we
> had great difficulty fetching marks.  She just wouldn't point as high as
> Septima and the extra tacks or overstands just killed us.
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> After Septima was hit by a lightening strike, I had her short hauled and
> ironically she was placed adjacent to SeaCure on the hard.  I looked at
> both keel stubs and they seemed to my eye to be identical.  My lead keel
> portion however had significant additional longitudinal area.  His deep
> mounted bulb was offset by my wing and stability was very similar.  My
> lateral resistance though was much greater and we could climb our way to a
> mark without pinching.
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>
> Allen Miles
>
> s/v Septima
> Hampton, VA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: robertlmazza via CnC-List
> Sent: Apr 23, 2015 2:19 PM
> To: Paul Baker , C&C Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Stus-List 35 modified keel
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>
> Interestingly enough I've just written an article on Mars Metal for the
> next issue of Professiomal Boatbuilder Magazine. Their ability to provide
> not only a bolt on two piece bulb but the design service to recommend the
> weight of bulb to achieve the same sailing stability as the deep draft keel
> is discussed in the article. It has been a very successful program for the
> company.
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> Rob Mazza
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> Sent from Samsung Mobile
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> -------- Original message --------
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> From: Paul Baker via CnC-List
>
> Date:04-22-2015 11:56 PM (GMT-05:00)
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> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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> Subject: Stus-List 35 modified keel
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> I'm sure you've all seen this, I often accidentally delete list emails
> without reading them, anyway, an interesting keel mod:
>
> http://www.sailnet.com/forums/general-discussion-sailing-related/197361-c-c-35-mod-bulb-keel-effect.html
>
> Cheers,
> Paul
> Orange Crush
> 1974 27 MkII
> Sidney, BC
>
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