I was not suggesting an A4 was a bad thing – the old diesel would have no parts or support at all and the A4 is very well supported. Just that if the engine – of ANY kind – is RWC and the boat was used in salt water to keep in mind that is a long time for an engine to last in salt. My original A4 died from corrosion and I have added a heat exchanger to my new A4 so I don’t have to swap it again. Joe Coquina C&C 35 MK I FWC A4 powered
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 3:30 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Stevan Plavsa Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C&C 35 mk2 An A4 does not a dealbreaker make. I looked at the issue of A4 vs Diesel this way: 30 year old diesel or 30 old gasser. The boats with the 30 year old diesel had about on average, a 5k markup over their A4 brethren. A 30 year old motor, is a 30 year old motor, is a 30 year old motor. Gas or diesel, you're looking at replacement or rebuild in not too much time. All kinds of things can be wrong with either. Choose one that's been well maintained (gas OR diesel). A4 parts are still very available and they are easy to work on. I know gas engines, sort of, I don't know diesel at all having never wrenched on one. At the end of the day it's a SAILboat. Do you want to be a mechanic? You might need to be, because .... 30 year old motor. Mine is actually 35 years old now. My boat was a good deal, the 1980 A4 in there was in about as good condition as one could want. Being a freshwater boat all her life, RWC wasn't an issue for me and it still isn't. If she had a diesel she would have cost me another 5k. Again, to my mind, there's no value there. I kind of love my A4. It's quiet! and it always works. On the odd time that it doesn't, it's an easy fix: points, last time. Half an hour of digging around the boat for the parts and install. Oh yeah, and I picked up a whole spare "working pull" A4 for $300 bones. It's taking up space in my garage. One day, when I'm retired, in like 50 years, maybe I'll have time to rebuild it. If you're really paranoid there's the issue of gasoline on the boat. i sniff test the bilge before firing her up. That's worth 5k to me. Oh, and I keep the motor happy with clean fuel, fresh fuel lines and filters, etc. Cheers, Steve On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: What engine does the boat have? An original A4, if RWC, can be considered fully depreciated by now and most of them are RWC. The optional diesel as a creation made by Westebeake from MG Midget engine blocks. From all I have read, it made a nice little engine but parts are almost impossible to get now. Joe Coquina C&C 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of Dave Syer via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 1:14 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Dave Syer Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C&C 35 mk2 Rino, Agreed with Steve, after reviewing MANY surveys over and crawling around many boats, over 3 decades, I find most are very superficial indeed. To be fair, most surveyors cannot realistically know the specific issues to look for in each model. That said, we are in C&C land and several of the local surveyors know the boats and a few actually worked for C&C over the years. (one - a dutch name escapes me, but a good guy and he's down your way.) FWIW When I inquired about some work with Bristol marine in Port Credit, Nick Bailey made the following recommendations of surveyors who they felt knew C&C boats. No affiliation or relationship etc... have an experienced surveyor familiar with these issues look at the boat. i.e. Bill Provis, 416-801-5527<tel:416-801-5527>; Peter McGuire 416-809-2186<tel:416-809-2186>; or Wallace Gouk 416-526-3845<tel:416-526-3845> That said, read up, ask questions here and do your own survey as well.....lift the cabin sole, look at all of the floor timbers (whatever they're called in a plastic boat) One thing I did not do and should have, was insisted on the opportunity to put the boat through its paces in the water, under power. Good Luck! Dave - 1985 33ii Message: 5 Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 11:26:47 -0500 From: Stevan Plavsa <stevanpla...@gmail.com<mailto:stevanpla...@gmail.com>> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C&C 35 mk2 Message-ID: <CADdEvn48gjMnZsy2_OjyVksVUZEEiiUbHCJbZULboa+TeBh=u...@mail.gmail.com<mailto:u...@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services. He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've questioned the value of surveys in general. He didn't tell me anything I didn't know. He did a good job but stayed within his scope. I can send you my survey if you want a sample of the work. I don't believe I'm breaking any agreement by sharing it. I'm far from a pro, just a blunderer who's read a lot of Don Casey and Nigel Calder. I own the same moisture meter that those guys use. The notion that you have to be a rocket surgeon to use a moisture meter is a little beyond me. There's a lot an amateur can learn about a boat with one of those before spending $600 on a survey. Sure, you can get false positives, like backing plates registering as moisture .. but you won't get false negatives. If there's moisture, it'll find it. Steve Suhana, C&C 32 Toronto _______________________________________________ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com<mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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