Thanks to all for the responses. I've just bought a bunch of 9/16 line for halyards (current size) from Valley Rope for just over 50 cents a foot. I could convert one to make sheets. I'll probably use soft shackles to attach it. I'm absolutely sure it will be fine for any weather I would want to be out in. I'm less sure of how it would do in a big blow.
I believe I had 9/16 sheets on my Pearson 30 when I bought it back in 1977. It was double braid, and I believe polyester. But that was a much smaller sail, even though it was a 150%. Also, having experience now, I'm not sure that 9/16 isn't easier to handle overall than is 5/8. 5/8 is heavy and stiff. And also the max limit of my self tailers. Maybe even one size too large. Thanks again, Dan SheerPegathy = Landfall 38Rock Creek off the Patapsco From: "cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 8:31 AM Subject: CnC-List Digest, Vol 123, Issue 143 Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." Today's Topics: 1. boarding ladder (Della Barba, Joe) 2. Removing Traveler Track C&C 29-1 (Sophia Weber) 3. Re: Stuffing box options on LF38 (Marek Dziedzic (hotmail)) 4. Re: Stuffing box options on LF38 (Della Barba, Joe) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 11:57:45 +0000 From: "Della Barba, Joe" <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> To: "'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Stus-List boarding ladder Message-ID: <4971e55edfb5424594407ff674029...@nsc-dag3-06.ba.ad.ssa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-STEPS-STAINLESS-STEEL-BOARDING-STERN-TRANSOM-MOUNT-BOAT-LADDER-FIVE-OCEANS-/281812641478?hash=item419d57a6c6:g:9GEAAOSwsB9WCfcn&vxp=mtr Does anyone know how these work? Does the bottom freely hinge back and forth or can it only fold down until it is in a straight line? Joe Coquina PS ? I think I hosed about 10 pounds of pollen off the boat yesterday. The trees are going full blast here! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is it holding anything behind it? And how does one remove it without force? It looks like there are four screw holes on the side of it (horizontal), but because of the plastic mould around it, I can't reach those either and can't even look to see what kind of screw it would be Any insights would be appreciated, Sophia "Persistence" 1978 C&C 29-1 Toronto, ON -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20160425/b8cbe6dc/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 08:25:28 -0400 From: "Marek Dziedzic \(hotmail\)" <dziedzi...@hotmail.com> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Stuffing box options on LF38 Message-ID: <blu407-eas115e6ea65c227173f727165ce...@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Patrick, I also have a PIY PSS shaft seal and I am happy with it. I installed it 3 years ago and, of course, it is like new. There is not a single drop of water coming through it. So if you like your bilge dry, this is, certainly, a way. It seems that people who have it, love it; most critical comments comes from people who don?t have it. I don?t regret replacing the traditional packing gland with the PSS. However, there is another way ? you can use some Gore-Tex stuffing and have not-dripping stuffing box, as well. Since yours is seized, you need to replace it anyway. That route might be simpler. Not to mention that your future maintenance could be done on the water and without removing the shaft. Marek Dziedzic 1994 C270 ?Legato? Ottawa, ON From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 04:52 To: C&C List Cc: Josh Muckley Subject: Re: Stus-List Stuffing box options on LF38 I have a PIY/PSS shaft seal and I have never had a problem. Though on another boat I saw the bellows become weak, add in the soft engine mounts and forward drive, and we had leaks. Mine came with the boat so it is at least 4 years old. I keep an eye on it as well as replacement options. At the boat show last year I saw a different option to the PSS. I was impressed with use of spring tension instead of bellows tension. I'll probably buy this product instead of the PSS when it is time. http://www.sailorsams.com/lasdrop-shaft-seals Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Apr 24, 2016 12:41 PM, "Patrick Davin via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: Sorry for so many questions, but I bit off a bit much on this haul-out... and I searched the list archives but didn't find much discussion of alternate stuffing boxes. My stuffing box is also seized and the packing needs to be replaced. On the LF38 the stuffing box is under the engine oil pan (v-drive configuration) with only 4-5" clearance to the sides for a wrench. I haven't found any wrench that fits yet. A prior owner recommended 3" C-clamps, and those work, sort of, but I can't get enough leverage - even hammering on it the seized locking nut hasn't budged. I'm starting to think that if I finish dropping the rudder this weekend then I should just pull the prop shaft (partially, because my cutless bearing doesn't need replacing) and get a new stuffing box. I know Wally swapped his out for a new Buck Algonquin nut style one - the same as the original but a slightly nicer newer model, and less corroded obviously. Unfortunately it looks like Buck Algonquin doesn't make the gland style packing box (with 4 bolts that are easily adjustable in tight spaces) for prop shafts smaller than 1 1/4" (ours is 1 1/8"). That design would be my preference. PSS dripless is about the same price though, and tempting... except for two caveats: - replacement schedule of the rubber belows is recommended at 6 to 10 years. I don't like that the rubber looks less durable than the 5-ply hose which should last 20 years. I could accept this shortcoming though, especially if it's 10 years. - PSS warns against having oil, fuel or any petroleum products contacting the belows. LF38 stuffing box is below the engine's oil pan. Oil or fuel is going to drip on it at some point! Even if you're pretty meticulous about leaks. I emailed PSS about this but haven't heard back. I could build a baffle / catch tray of some sorts, and just check it regularly. Has anyone else installed one in tight quarters and/or below an engine, and has it been a good decision? -Patrick 1984 C&C Landfall 38 Seattle, WA _______________________________________________ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20160425/a51cc750/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 12:30:20 +0000 From: "Della Barba, Joe" <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> To: "'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Stuffing box options on LF38 Message-ID: <698720c582d34ac9bca089094e0d8...@nsc-dag3-06.ba.ad.ssa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I have had the PSS shaft seal since about 1987 or so. I am on my second one, when I had a bent shaft replaced a few years ago the yard swapped it out for a new one. The original had started to leak after 20+ years. I have been happy with it so far. The only maintenance it needs has been burping the air out after scuba diving under the boat and making sure the hose is adjusted right after an engine replacement. Joe Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic (hotmail) via CnC-List Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 08:25 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Marek Dziedzic (hotmail) Subject: Re: Stus-List Stuffing box options on LF38 Patrick, I also have a PIY PSS shaft seal and I am happy with it. I installed it 3 years ago and, of course, it is like new. There is not a single drop of water coming through it. So if you like your bilge dry, this is, certainly, a way. It seems that people who have it, love it; most critical comments comes from people who don?t have it. I don?t regret replacing the traditional packing gland with the PSS. However, there is another way ? you can use some Gore-Tex stuffing and have not-dripping stuffing box, as well. Since yours is seized, you need to replace it anyway. That route might be simpler. Not to mention that your future maintenance could be done on the water and without removing the shaft. Marek Dziedzic 1994 C270 ?Legato? Ottawa, ON From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 04:52 To: C&C List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Josh Muckley<mailto:muckl...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Stuffing box options on LF38 I have a PIY/PSS shaft seal and I have never had a problem. Though on another boat I saw the bellows become weak, add in the soft engine mounts and forward drive, and we had leaks. Mine came with the boat so it is at least 4 years old. I keep an eye on it as well as replacement options. At the boat show last year I saw a different option to the PSS. I was impressed with use of spring tension instead of bellows tension. I'll probably buy this product instead of the PSS when it is time. http://www.sailorsams.com/lasdrop-shaft-seals Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Apr 24, 2016 12:41 PM, "Patrick Davin via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Sorry for so many questions, but I bit off a bit much on this haul-out... and I searched the list archives but didn't find much discussion of alternate stuffing boxes. My stuffing box is also seized and the packing needs to be replaced. On the LF38 the stuffing box is under the engine oil pan (v-drive configuration) with only 4-5" clearance to the sides for a wrench. I haven't found any wrench that fits yet. A prior owner recommended 3" C-clamps, and those work, sort of, but I can't get enough leverage - even hammering on it the seized locking nut hasn't budged. I'm starting to think that if I finish dropping the rudder this weekend then I should just pull the prop shaft (partially, because my cutless bearing doesn't need replacing) and get a new stuffing box. I know Wally swapped his out for a new Buck Algonquin nut style one - the same as the original but a slightly nicer newer model, and less corroded obviously. Unfortunately it looks like Buck Algonquin doesn't make the gland style packing box (with 4 bolts that are easily adjustable in tight spaces) for prop shafts smaller than 1 1/4" (ours is 1 1/8"). That design would be my preference. PSS dripless is about the same price though, and tempting... except for two caveats: - replacement schedule of the rubber belows is recommended at 6 to 10 years. I don't like that the rubber looks less durable than the 5-ply hose which should last 20 years. I could accept this shortcoming though, especially if it's 10 years. - PSS warns against having oil, fuel or any petroleum products contacting the belows. LF38 stuffing box is below the engine's oil pan. Oil or fuel is going to drip on it at some point! Even if you're pretty meticulous about leaks. I emailed PSS about this but haven't heard back. I could build a baffle / catch tray of some sorts, and just check it regularly. Has anyone else installed one in tight quarters and/or below an engine, and has it been a good decision? -Patrick 1984 C&C Landfall 38 Seattle, WA _______________________________________________ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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