This is sailing in the Rocky Mountain region. Their sailing rules are quite 
different from anywhere else I've sailed. I sailed there for a few years. Prior 
to coming to Colorado I sailed under YRALIS (Long Island Sound) and NBYA 
(Narragansett Bay) rules for over 20 years. Not surprised a hand held  whisker 
pole is legal under Rocky Mountain sailing. 

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> On Aug 6, 2016, at 2:24 PM, Michael Brown via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> The US Sailing rules reference the ISAF Equipment Rules of Sailing.
> ERS defines a spinnaker pole in F.1.4 (d) (i) as:
> 
> > A spar attached to the mast spar to set a spinnaker.
> 
> Similarly a whisker pole as:
> 
> > A spar attached to the mast spar and a headsail clew.
> 
> So while the US Sailing rules do not mention the mast attachment
> point it is covered by the ERS definition of a spinnaker ( or whisker ) pole.
> 
> 
> I take the interpretation ( which may differ by region ) that the broad
> meaning of an outrigger is anything projecting past the hull or deck
> used to push out a sheet or sail. That would include hands, feet,
> boat hooks, fishing rods or a pole not attached to the mast.
> 
> Michael Brown
> Windburn
> C&C 30-1
> 
> 
> Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 09:45:29 -0400 
> From: "Gary Nylander" <gnylan...@atlanticbb.net> 
> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Finally Won a Race now reaching strut 
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> Our (Chesapeake) PHRF rules do state - must be attached to the mast, must be 
> less than J length without penalty. No hand holding a stick... 
> 
> 
> 
> Gary 
> 
> 
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
> Sent: Friday, August 5, 2016 8:03 PM 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard <jfriv...@us.ibm.com> 
> Subject: Stus-List Finally Won a Race now reaching strut 
> 
> 
> 
> The boat hook:  We only do it in really light winds 0-4 knots, were talking 
> glassy water on the lake.  It's a cinch do undo and it's a cinch to hold.   
> 
> We do sail under US Sailing rules and there are no stipulation whatsoever 
> about the length of the pole, it's attachment to the mast, or position of 
> the crew as long as we are inside the lifelines. I'm not trying to argue 
> against local rules as I have seen rules for other areas on the web where 
> there were mentions of attachment to the mast etc. On the lake, we don't use 
> local interpretation of the rules, we go strictly by the US Sailing / ISAF 
> document. 
> 
> Here's the actual rule from the ISAF 2013- 2016 document: 
> 
> Rule 50.3 Use of Outriggers 
> 
> (a) No sail shall be sheeted over or through an outrigger, except as 
> permitted in rule 50.3(b) or 50.3(c). An outrigger is any fitting or other 
> device so placed that it could exert outward pressure on a sheet or sail at 
> a point from which, with the boat upright, a vertical line would fall 
> outside the hull or deck. For the purpose of this rule, bulwarks, rails and 
> rubbing strakes are not part of the hull or deck and the following are not 
> outriggers: a bowsprit used to secure the tack of a sail, a bumkin used to 
> sheet the boom of a sail, or a boom of a boomed headsail that requires no 
> adjustment when tacking. 
> 
> (b) Any sail may be sheeted to or led above a boom that is regularly used 
> for a sail and is permanently attached to the mast from which the head of 
> the sail is set. 
> 
> (c) A headsail may be sheeted or attached at its clew to a spinnaker pole or 
> whisker pole, provided that a spinnaker is not set. 
> 
> Important part being part "C" Spinnaker pole or whisker pole but no mention 
> of it's description, attachment,  or position of the crew.  I guess someone 
> could argue that a boat hook is not a proper whisker pole.  Quite a few of 
> us do it on the lake and no one cares. As long a I don't get a protest:  In 
> 0-3 knots I don't see any great danger, you can hold it one handed.. It's 
> simply a matter of convenience and ease of use. Also it's much quicker / 
> easier to change the depth / angle of  a portable pole instead of a heavy 
> thing attached to the mast, especially in extremely light winds where any 
> sudden move of the crew can upset the sailplan and kill your ever so slight 
> apparent wind. 
> 
> 
> Just to be clear, here's the actual rule on the crew: 
> 
> CREW POSITION; LIFELINES 49.1 Competitors shall use no device designed to 
> position their bodies outboard, other than hiking straps and stiffeners worn 
> under the thighs. 
> 
> 49.2 When lifelines are required by the class rules or the sailing 
> instructions they shall be taut, and competitors shall not position any Part 
> 4 OTHER REQUIREMENTS WHEN RACING 28 part of their torsos outside them, 
> except briefly to perform a necessary task. On boats equipped with upper and 
> lower lifelines, a competitor sitting on the deck facing outboard with his 
> waist inside the lower lifeline may have the upper part of his body outside 
> the upper lifeline. If the class rules do not specify the material or 
> minimum diameter of lifelines, they shall comply with the corresponding 
> specifications in the ISAF Offshore Special Regulations.   
> 
> No mention of holding sails or anything else.. 
> 
> 
> As I learned racing my Mustang.. Reading the rules very carefully and 
> knowing how to interpret them in a fair is just another item on the long 
> list of what makes the difference between the guy out front and the rest.. 
> 
> Here are the rules: 
> http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/ISAFRRS20132016Final-[13376].pdf 
> 
> 
> -Francois Rivard 
> 1990 34+ "Take Five" 
> Lake Lanier, GA 
> 
> 
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> Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 11:45:34 -0400 
> From: "Rick Brass" <rickbr...@earthlink.net> 
> To: "Charlie Nelson" <cenel...@aol.com>,     <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> Subject: Stus-List New sails for my 38 
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> It's time to replace the main and genoa on my 38 mk2 (and I actually have 
> the money to do it). 
> 
> 
> 
> I'm more of a cruiser than a racer any more. I only do about 4 charity races 
> a year, and have been adding cruising gear to the boat for trips to the 
> Bahamas (and Bermuda next June). So I guess I'm looking for durable sails 
> that still give me good performance - but not a set of racing sails. 
> 
> 
> 
> My old main is a Neil Pryde main with 5 full battens and a Tides Marine 
> Strong Track system that has given good service over more than 10 years. 
> I've retired the carbon 155 genoa and am using a roller furling 135 headsail 
> right now. 
> 
> 
> 
> I've asked for a quote from the sailmaker I've used in the past (Omar Sails 
> in New Bern, NC). Based on recent positive comments on the list I've also 
> contacted Dirk Sharland at Rolly Tasker Sails in Florida. And because of my 
> experience with the Neil Pryde main I've contacted their loft in Hampton, 
> VA. 
> 
> 
> 
> I'm looking for a good balance of performance, durability, and cost. Pretty 
> much weighted in that order. 
> 
> 
> 
> I'm open to suggestions about features I should look for, and other lofts 
> from which I should request information and a quote. 
> 
> 
> 
> Rick Brass 
> 
> Imzadi  C&C 38 mk 2 
> 
> la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1 
> 
> Washington, NC 
> 
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