This discussion is interesting because it is like the sailing cloth dilemma, there more you learn about the different options the more confused you are :-)Several sailing hardware manufacturers offer 2-3 lines of products, with Harken having a tendency to offer race-oriented products..If you go racing then you will not consider Lewmar's ocean series, you will go with their HTX or Racing lines.. I did buy Harken's Mk IV furler , but will I ever use the ability to raise and lower a sail on it's 2 tracks? or remove the drum if I go racing? maybe I should have bought their ESP line ( more cruise-oriented ).Same for winches, travellers, genoa tracks.. You have to define your criterias then go compare. I have just about every brand on my boat , but in every case it was an real improvement over the original/30 years old part it replaced. In terms of sailboat gear I think we are in a "golden age", next generation will depend on electric or hydraulic ( even more maintenance ).Still, I was surprized to see that my 40 years old Barient would be good for another 15 years I they had been self tailing with 2 speeds, they would have been good for the life of my boat! Just my opinion,SylvainC&C27 MkIII
On Wednesday, July 12, 2017, 8:21:01 PM GMT-4, John Irvin via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: My experience is if you plan to race, go Harken. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 12, 2017, at 6:55 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: When looking at "ball bearing" traveler and genoa car systems (as opposed to pin stop or slide track), design is a factor. While some use T-track, others use X-track. Some use recirculating ball bearings, others use wheels. The design has a LOT to do with how the system handles loads. I think that's why Harken is so well regarded. While other brands may be good, my opinion is Harken's design handles the loads better, and therefore moves easier than others. Just my opinion. Whether the ease of movement is worth the price premium, well, that's your choice. All I'm saying is look closely at the design. Find and ask owners of different systems. Hopefully, one can find owners who have or have had different brands and systems so you get an apples to apples comparison. For instance, Touche's Harken traveler seems to move easier than Touche's Lewmar genoa cars. Just saying. Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 7:27 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: It is good to remember when discussing this that Harken track is measured in millimeters rather than inches (usually 22mm, 27mm, 32mm). Other cars do not fit on Harken track properly and likely vice versa. I did contact Garhaur about new genoa lead cars for Persistence on the existing track (22mm small boat track 3.6m in length). They said they could not do it (would not?). Would have had to be custom. In the end I came across a good deal on the mid range genoa cars and track ends (27mm) and had to purchase separately the aft track ends and new tracks (the ones that came with my new gear were only 1m long and I needed 3.6m). Replaced tracks (PITA) and cars with the new Harken gear and is more suited to the size and loads on Persistence. Sold the old tracks and cars to a friend who is using on his C&C 30. This brings to mind that I have two 1 meter Harken low beam non captive ball tracks 27mm midrange and matching backing plates. These are new and have never been installed on a boat but are circa 2009. Mike Persistence Halifax, NS http://users.eastlink.ca/~ mhoyt From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-bounces@cnc- list.com]On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 6:00 PM To: CnClist Cc: Dennis C. Subject: Re: Stus-List Traveler for C&C 35 Mk II Sean, I have Lewmar Ocean 1 ball bearing genoa cars and a Harken traveler. In my opinion, the Harken is superior. Harken does make a high beam variable spacing traveler track (Harken R32HB) which may fit your application. Harken tends to be a "bit" more pricey, however. Here's a link to Touche's traveler setup: https://drive.google.com/open? id=0B_ sb5TfIENvsX0dGcEV2Mm1QNUE It has a 4:1 endless traveler sheet which passes through bulkhead mounted swivel cam cleats. It can be operated easily from forward or aft of the traveler. While I don't have experience with Garhauer travelers, many on the list speak highly of them. I have other Garhauer items on my boat and am positively impressed with them. I have also had Garhauer make custom items for both my boat and clients boats. Good stuff. A traveler that operates well is, in my opinion, a safety item. Many port/starboard collisions are partially to blame because a traveler would not drop quickly or a mainsheet would not release easily. The port boat was not able to turn down due to being extremely powered up. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ______________________________ _________________ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/ stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! _______________________________________________ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! _______________________________________________ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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