Agree that in light air the windward sheeting Harken traveler car has difficulties.
I love the swivel idea at the track ends. Currently both my main sheet(s) (I have a 6:1 plus a 4:1 for 24:1 when it's really blowing) AND the car on top of each other and the windward sheeting car has the cleat mounted on it for the traveller. I can not reach any of this from behind the wheel. Adding swivels would un-clutter the car and allow the helm or someone forward in the cockpit to do the traveler. Charlie Nelson Water Phantom 1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2017, at 12:37 PM, "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Hi Gary > > The loads on the main sheet and traveler on the 115 are normally pretty high. > When it was windy and gusty we would often have one person on traveler and > another on the sheet. I believe Koobalibra did have a windward sheeting car > but am not certain as it has been nearly two years since we raced on that > boat. However I think it would have been nice to have even if expensive on > the 115. > > Does the 115 you race on have the 2:1 purchase on the main sheet? Do you > find leeward roundings a LOT of work for the main trimmer? > > Mike > Persistence > Halifax > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary > Nylander via CnC-List > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 12:48 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Gary Nylander > Subject: Re: Stus-List traveller track/cars Harken vs others > > I agree about it being overrated, unless you have a real tender boat where > the crew has to be on the rail at all times. I put one on my 30-1 and it was > almost useless in our light air conditions. The wind was often too light to > allow the windward sheeting capability to work. I am racing on a C&C 115 and > it is pretty much the same. > > I blocked my car off and put blocks and cam cleats at the ends of the > traveler. As the main trimmer is in the middle of the boat most times, it > works better. My traveler is on the companionway area shelf and spans the > full width of the cockpit. > > Gary > #593 > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Matthew L. > Wolford via CnC-List > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 9:29 AM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Matthew L. Wolford <wolf...@erie.net> > Subject: Re: Stus-List traveller track/cars Harken vs others > > I had a windward sheeting car on my 34 and believe they’re overrated. Just > my two cents. > > From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List > Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 10:32 PM > To: Dennis C. via CnC-List > Cc: Marek Dziedzic > Subject: Re: Stus-List traveller track/cars Harken vs others > > If you decide on Harken, go for the “windward sheeting” traveler car. As they > say in their ads, once you raced with one, you would never go back. > > If you are cost conscious, go for Garhauer; there is hardly better value (not > to mention that they usually bend over backwards to accommodate your needs). > > Marek > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Dennis C. via CnC-List > Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 18:55 > To: CnClist > Cc: Dennis C. > Subject: Re: Stus-List traveller track/cars Harken vs others > > When looking at "ball bearing" traveler and genoa car systems (as opposed to > pin stop or slide track), design is a factor. While some use T-track, others > use X-track. Some use recirculating ball bearings, others use wheels. > > The design has a LOT to do with how the system handles loads. I think that's > why Harken is so well regarded. While other brands may be good, my opinion > is Harken's design handles the loads better, and therefore moves easier than > others. Just my opinion. Whether the ease of movement is worth the price > premium, well, that's your choice. > > All I'm saying is look closely at the design. Find and ask owners of > different systems. Hopefully, one can find owners who have or have had > different brands and systems so you get an apples to apples comparison. > > For instance, Touche's Harken traveler seems to move easier than Touche's > Lewmar genoa cars. Just saying. > > Dennis C. > Touche' 35-1 #83 > Mandeville, LA > > > On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 7:27 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > It is good to remember when discussing this that Harken track is measured in > millimeters rather than inches (usually 22mm, 27mm, 32mm). Other cars do not > fit on Harken track properly and likely vice versa. > > I did contact Garhaur about new genoa lead cars for Persistence on the > existing track (22mm small boat track 3.6m in length). They said they could > not do it (would not?). Would have had to be custom. > > In the end I came across a good deal on the mid range genoa cars and track > ends (27mm) and had to purchase separately the aft track ends and new tracks > (the ones that came with my new gear were only 1m long and I needed 3.6m). > Replaced tracks (PITA) and cars with the new Harken gear and is more suited > to the size and loads on Persistence. Sold the old tracks and cars to a > friend who is using on his C&C 30. > > This brings to mind that I have two 1 meter Harken low beam non captive ball > tracks 27mm midrange and matching backing plates. These are new and have > never been installed on a boat but are circa 2009. > > Mike > Persistence > Halifax, NS > http://users.eastlink.ca/~mhoyt > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. > via CnC-List > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 6:00 PM > To: CnClist > Cc: Dennis C. > Subject: Re: Stus-List Traveler for C&C 35 Mk II > > Sean, > > I have Lewmar Ocean 1 ball bearing genoa cars and a Harken traveler. In my > opinion, the Harken is superior. Harken does make a high beam variable > spacing traveler track (Harken R32HB) which may fit your application. Harken > tends to be a "bit" more pricey, however. Here's a link to Touche's traveler > setup: > > https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsX0dGcEV2Mm1QNUE > > It has a 4:1 endless traveler sheet which passes through bulkhead mounted > swivel cam cleats. It can be operated easily from forward or aft of the > traveler. > > While I don't have experience with Garhauer travelers, many on the list speak > highly of them. I have other Garhauer items on my boat and am positively > impressed with them. I have also had Garhauer make custom items for both my > boat and clients boats. Good stuff. > > A traveler that operates well is, in my opinion, a safety item. Many > port/starboard collisions are partially to blame because a traveler would not > drop quickly or a mainsheet would not release easily. The port boat was not > able to turn down due to being extremely powered up. > > Dennis C. > Touche' 35-1 #83 > Mandeville, LA > > > _______________________________________________ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. 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