Great thread, thanks all! Josh, I like the sound of the webbing and rings, and plan to buy some webbing to make safety lines so will give this a try. Crossing also makes sense as it should reduce the chance of the ring falling off the horn before you can reach the halyard. I have only a purchase in the boom for the outhaul; the reef points use external blocks. But I think I will try the webbing and rings method first as it seems simpler and less likely to foul (and if it does, it will be obvious to spot). My halyards are at the mast, so executing the reef should be fairly easy. I'm just waiting for the crazy winds here to abate so I can try it out. Currently gusting to 30+ at my slip so I'm fiddling with stuff below decks...
-- Shawn Wright shawngwri...@gmail.com S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35 https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 1:01 PM Josh Muckley via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Randy, > I agree with Bill. I've never heard of anyone using both rings. Years > ago I too used to picture the rings coming down around both sides of the > pack and hooking on each side. As such, even after realizing that only one > ring was possible I would still reserve the port ring for the port hook and > vice versa. I described my difficulties with my sail maker and he said, > "You're doing it wrong. Have to tried crossing? You know the port ring to > the stbd horn?" I was dumbfounded by the nonchalant nature and simplicity > of the answer. Low and behold the next reef was so much easier and cleaner > looking. > > David, > I find that pulling in the reefing line while simultaneously lowering the > halyard, combined with the helm maintaining the luffing of the sail, > ensures that the sail doesn't ever have an opportunity to spill on the deck > or foul in the lazy jacks. Since my lines are led aft I have to run > forward momentarily to hook the ring. Taking up the reefing line early has > given better luck keeping the sail from flogging the ring off the horn > while I'm transitioning back from the mast to the cockpit. For anyone with > halyards at the mast this is probably not as valuable. Even less valuable > if the reef is at a different location than the halyard. > > Shawn, > I have a purchase system buried in my boom for the outhaul and the 1st > reef. Any type of single line reefing system will not work with this setup > since the cringle will not pull with the same ratio as the clew. I've also > heard of added complications keeping mainsail foot tension since the with > most single line systems the cringle is kind of allowed to "float" fore and > aft. Additionally the added friction of a single line system can make > shaking out the reef a little bit more challenging. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C&C 37+ > Solomons, MD > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2019, 2:34 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Randy, I believe you are only supposed to use one ring at a time. >> Depends on which tack you are on. Pretty simple fix, as you noted, just >> need a little 1” webbing. I have some if you need it. >> >> >> >> Bill Coleman >> >> Erie PA >> >> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Randy >> Stafford via CnC-List >> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 19, 2019 12:08 PM >> *To:* cnc-list >> *Cc:* Randy Stafford >> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Heavy weather sail trim >> >> >> >> >> >> I bought a new mainsail last year with two reef points including dogbones >> in the cringles. And I bought a gooseneck pin with ram's horns. Problem >> is the dogbones aren’t long enough, so I can only hook one ring, and I have >> to remove the sail stop to let a slug out of the track to do so. Easily >> fixed by my local sail repair guy after proper measurement, but just a >> PITA. Using the Cunningham with strong tackle / deck hardware seems like >> an efficient alternative. My Cunningham just has a cheek block and jam >> cleat on the mast - I’d prefer something beefier for reefing. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Randy Stafford >> >> S/V Grenadine >> >> C&C 30-1 #7 >> >> Ken Caryl, CO >> >> >> >> On Jun 19, 2019, at 8:13 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> I have a slightly different system for reefing. I have a 4-1 downhaul >> with a stainless hook for attachment to the cringle and led back to the >> cockpit stopper. I have the main halyard premarked for a height that >> allows me to move the hook from the normal downhaul position to the reef >> point cringle. So I drop the main to the designated spot, move the hook, >> tighten the main halyard, then the downhaul, then the leech reefing line >> and ready to go. The position of the main halyard is much less critical >> with the hook because it does not tend to fall off the cringle like the dog >> bone rings fall off the horns. With lazy jacks and a Mack Pack, I don’t >> bother to tie the main around the boom. It is not much different in time >> and effort than attaching the dog bones to the horn, but since my main did >> not come with dog bones, this was a simple alternative. Dave >> >> >> >> On Jun 19, 2019, at 9:54 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Thanks, John, for this excellent write up of reefing - very helpful. >> Although we did go through reefing several times on our recent ISPA course, >> the boat was rigged a bit differently, and we also had a crew of 5, so >> things were much easier. The instructor's boat (a Formosa 43) used >> something similar to dog bones - just short pieces of rope - but they were >> very effective. He also added a rope wrapped around the mast and through >> the reefing cringle after the reef was in, and this is what I did when I >> had to reef on Monday. It seemed to work well, so I will measure space >> needed to clear the sail folds/slugs and make a short loop of rope to stay >> in the cringle for now. I like the strap and SS ring idea even better so I >> will look for the right size rings. And now is also a good time to mark the >> halyard since the reef is still in place! >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Shawn Wright >> >> shawngwri...@gmail.com >> >> S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35 >> >> https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 3:46 PM Josh Muckley via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> If you stay around the list long enough you'll hear people refer to "dog >> bones" in the reef cringles. They are short pieces nylon webbing passing >> through the sail grommet at each of the reef points along the sail luff. >> On each end is a SS ring. The rings keep the dog bones captive. The >> length of the bones is designed so as to accommodate the stack height of >> the sail slugs in the mast - shorter bone for the first reef and >> progressively lo ger for the second and third. A sail maker can make the >> bones for you the next time the sail is in for service. Alternatively you >> can make them yourself out of some amsteel or other small stuff. If you >> have a cunningham you can even arrange them so that one ring hooks on the >> horn and the other is positioned to be hooked by the cunningham. When >> going for the reef I've found it very effective to turn off the wind but >> not down wind. Maybe 60° to 90°. Release the traveler all the way so that >> the main luffs straight back in line with the boom. Simultaneously ease >> the halyard and take in the reefing line. It helps to have the halyard >> premarked so you know that you have lowered it enough. Once down, hook the >> dog bone. Harden the halyard and then the reef line. Remember to ease the >> mainsheet and vang too so that the boom can rise up to the new clew. Once >> it is all hardened up then you can lash the sail as needed and come back up >> to the wind. >> >> >> >> Josh Muckley >> >> S/V Sea Hawk >> >> 1989 C&C 37+ >> >> Solomons, MD >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - >> use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> _______________________________________________ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > >
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