Good boats sailed well do good simple right On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 8:34 PM Fred Hazzard via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> I am surprised that all the 30’s are rated the same given the dramatic > differences in conditions they race in. San Francisco verses San Diego for > example. > > Fred Hazzard > S/V Fury > C&C 44 > Portland Or > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 7:08 AM Gary Nylander via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> I’m guessing most of the reviews are for boats with big changes in >> performance. PHRF Chesapeake has done some, but not often. Looking around >> the country, the 30-1, from hull number 1 (on the Chesapeake) to hull >> numbers over 600 seem to have the same 174 handicap (mine is number 593 and >> is 174 also). There may be exceptions, but I would doubt that Randy’s boat >> (assuming it has not been modified in major ways) would prompt a review. >> I’m not sure what one would do to a 30-1 to increase performance unless you >> cut a bunch of weight off the keel – and that would decrease it’s >> performance in heavy weather. At the Chesapeake rendezvous a couple months >> ago, I got to look at Rick’s number 1 and it is very similar to my 593, >> only differing is the area of chainplate attachments and some cabinet >> doors. >> >> >> >> Gary Nylander >> >> >> >> *From:* CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> *On Behalf Of *David >> Knecht via CnC-List >> *Sent:* Thursday, December 12, 2019 5:40 PM >> *To:* CnC discussion list CnC <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> *Cc:* David Knecht <davidakne...@gmail.com> >> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List PHRF Reviews and Adjustments >> >> >> >> I am pretty sure that no review of ratings has been done at my club in at >> least 10 years. Dave >> >> >> >> S/V Aries >> >> 1990 C&C 34+ >> >> New London, CT >> >> >> >> >> On Dec 12, 2019, at 5:36 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Well Lee, since you bring up PHRF reviews, let me ask you listers, how >> often do your clubs or RSAs conduct rating reviews and adjustments? >> >> >> >> The introduction in “the book” ( >> https://www.ussailing.org/competition/offshore/phrf/phrf-handicaps/) >> says under heading "Considerations when using this listing to determine a >> handicap by averaging fleet data” that "After the initial handicap is >> chosen and the boat is raced, an empirical analysis of performance may >> permit a more refined estimate of its speed potential.” And a review of >> https://www.ussailing.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/USPHRF-Fleets-1.pdf >> shows >> that most clubs derive handicaps from “the book,” then review and adjust >> based on local experience. >> >> >> >> So, how many of y’all do that? >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Randy >> >> >> >> On Dec 12, 2019, at 11:20 AM, Lee Youngblood via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Dear Sir, >> >> >> >> RE: Randy Stafford S/V Grenadin C&C 30 MK I #79 LISTED as Hull #7 >> >> >> >> I have put in a request for an immediate PHRF review of your boat. With >> over 70 shipyard refinements, it’s clear now, why your boat is so fast, and >> only right that your rating reflect the changes you failed to document. I >> expect the board will want to question you very carefully about the >> additional changes to your boat over and above the documented 1972 norms. >> I have suggested that the penalty not be limited to just changing a PHRF >> number, but the monetary fine should reflect the price of the current boat >> you have chosen to race. Perhaps if you raced a newer more expensive boat, >> you would be disinclined to perpetrate this excessive winning streak, which >> is depressing both the local fleet and the attendance of future sailors to >> the sport. You should hear from the PHRF board by the end of the month. >> >> >> >> Regretfully, Lee >> >> Yea, cold and wet in Seattle >> >> >> >> On Dec 12, 2019, at 2:31 09AM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Listers- >> >> >> >> When I was buying my 30 MK I (HIN 30007972) four years ago, I came to the >> conclusion she was hull number 7 laid up in September 1972, I think based >> on this old post: >> http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2012-April/044412.html >> . >> >> >> >> Meanwhile a discussion arose recently in the Facebook C&C Owners Group >> where a guy asked how to decode HIN 30002672. I emailed Rob Ball hoping >> for clarification, and Rob referred me to Rob MacLachlan of South Shore >> Yachts. Rob MacLachlan said definitively I have hull #79, not hull #7. So >> the HIN format C&C used before standardization on November 1st 1972 >> apparently didn’t include any digits indicating the month in which the hull >> was laid up. >> >> >> >> I’ll be damned, I said. All this time I thought I had hull #7. >> >> >> >> Rick Bushie on this list owns 30 MK I hull #1, and his HIN plate says >> simply “30-1 1971N”. >> >> Brian Buttigieg in the Facebook group owns 30 MK I hull #5, he says, but >> hasn’t posted his HIN yet. >> >> Jack Rousseau in the Facebook group owned 30 MK I hull #8 and said it was >> made in 1971. >> >> Sean Dillon in the Facebook group owns 30 MK I hull #14 and says it’s a >> 1971 boat. >> >> Ed Levert on this list owned hull #19 and thought it was a 1971 boat. >> >> The owners of HINs 30002672, 30005972, and 30009472 have also been heard >> from here or in the Facebook group. >> >> Steve Guiney in the Facebook group owns hull #123 and his HIN is >> CCY301231172 (CCY was later used by the Rhode Island factory but it didn’t >> open until February 1976) >> >> >> >> It seems clear that C&C changed 30 MK I HIN formats at least twice over >> the production run. And I shall change my email signature according to >> what I’ve learnt. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Randy Stafford >> >> S/V Grenadine >> >> C&C 30 MK I #79 >> >> Ken Caryl, CO >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - >> use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - >> use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >> and every one is greatly appreciated. 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